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What fastener is this?

Discussion in 'Tech' started by E-Van, Aug 28, 2022.

  1. E-Van

    E-Van Well-Known Member

    Need to separate the lower fork tube from the axle block to install cartridges for my 2019 R3. Does anyone know what tool I use for this set screw? Is it a Phillips? Allen?
     

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  2. dudutzu

    dudutzu Well-Known Member

    Phallen?
    A little heat and a tight fitting allen should do...
     
  3. dave3593

    dave3593 What I know about opera I learned from Bugs Bunny

    That is four sided not six. Don't use an Allen.
    Also in forks if there happens to be a seal close, I would not use heat.
    If you are careful you might grind around on a Phillips and get a good fit. Do not mess it up or you'll have a real mess.
     
  4. IL8APEX

    IL8APEX Well-Known Member

    That looks like a plug that is designed to be removed with either an Allen key or JIS screwdriver. Either one shouldn't take much torque to remove.

    What's behind it? Grease port?

    -T
     
  5. SPL170db

    SPL170db Trackday winner

    Isn't that like a jam nut of some sorts in the axle casting of the fork that in part stops the lower leg from un-threading?
     
  6. E-Van

    E-Van Well-Known Member

    Precisely. Shouldn’t be torqued too tight but from what I’ve read it’s loctited in place so I want to make sure I used the right tool and don’t make a mess of it.

     
  7. RM Racing

    RM Racing Tool user

    Those are a PITA. It is certainly Loctited. I have the best luck with a small flat head screwdriver bit that fits in the slot and a hand impact tool, after applying heat.
     
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  8. jkraft

    jkraft Well-Known Member

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  9. emry

    emry Can you count? 50 Fucking what?

    That is a metric Allen set screw that is installed with Loctite and then staked.
     
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  10. E-Van

    E-Van Well-Known Member

    Hand impact and heat did the trick for the set screw. Now if only separating the lower was as easy. Somehow the fork leg I had was rusty on the inside and took out some of the aluminum threads with it. I guess practice makes perfect. On to lower #2.
     
  11. backho

    backho Well-Known Member

    Yep, precisely correct!
     
  12. ibidu1

    ibidu1 Well-Known Member

    I wonder if you can take a soldering iron and just let it rest inside for a bit, just to gently soften up the loctite, without destroying rubber seals
     
  13. E-Van

    E-Van Well-Known Member

    That’s an interesting idea for the set screw. I was talking with an engineering friend and he suggested heat soaking the part in an oven to soften the loctite rather than localized heat on just the axle block.
     
  14. YamRZ350

    YamRZ350 Nicorette Dependent

    The one's I've had apart don't have a rubber seal there.
     
  15. TWF2

    TWF2 2 heads are better than 1

    There is O-ring in there, inside knuckle.
     
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  16. backho

    backho Well-Known Member

    Being that the housing is aluminum it really won’t take much heat to loosen the Sloptite and expand the housing enough to make the removal easy-peasy
     
  17. E-Van

    E-Van Well-Known Member

    For the set screw yes. Separating the axle block from the tube, not easy. Red is strong stuff. Or maybe I just don’t know the secret technique.
     
  18. metricdevilmoto

    metricdevilmoto Just forking around

    It wasn't rusty. That was the Loctite. And you trashed the threads when you separated the chrome slider from the stanchion because you didn't clean up the threads where the grub screw peened them over.
     
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  19. E-Van

    E-Van Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the guidance. Any tips on how to clean them up next time? That’s not a very big hole.
     
  20. metricdevilmoto

    metricdevilmoto Just forking around

    Square end mill and a good amount of heat is what I use. 3mm and 4mm. If you use quality tooling, you just touch the threads and it's good. I do maybe 20ish of these a year between R6 and R1.

    The Showa forks use a rubber tipped grub screw, so it's not an issue, but Kayaba doesn't want these things to come apart.
     
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