Answering My Own Question on Palin

Discussion in 'The Dungeon' started by morbidelli17, Sep 10, 2008.

  1. 999

    999 Well-Known Member

    No, I'm a pragmatist.

    Guess what?
    We aready are paying for the health care costs of the uninsured.
    There was more grant and loan money for college from the Gov't in the 70s and 80s and it seemed to work pretty well.
    Cooperation between gov't and automakers has worked pretty well in Japan.

    I find it strange that the far right has been so successful in convincing you that the solution to our problems is to keep doing what we've been doing for the last 8 years. In today's rightwing fringe climate, Reagan and Goldwater would be called liberals.

    Are the weeds pretty in your neagtive land? :confused:

  2. Robert

    Robert Flies all green 'n buzzin

    What part of Obama's policies and platform would be less convincing and appeal less to Democrats if he were white? If we could photoshop his bio and background to make him a WASP, what part of it would make him less popular? Please be specific.

    I think the opposite would have happened. Without all the baggage and smears, and all the uncertainty about his race and his background, Obama would have stomped Clinton.

    Palin is getting a ride in part because she belongs to a minority group and mostly because people identify with her as the girl next door, but that's only because she is in the #2 slot. If Palin were the one running for pres right now she would lose by a landslide. Being female, black, hispanic, Muslim etc. is a huge disadvantage. That's why every president so far has been a white male.
  3. RCjohn

    RCjohn Killin machine.

    In the place where I live(aka reality) there are flowers and weeds. Both grow very well.

    Throwing tax money at every problem doesn't solve it.

    Vote in the lottery. It's brings in million for education. Working great so far in TN and GA among many others.

    No one has convinced me to keep doing what we are doing but change for the sake of change doesn't work either. It's just plane stupid and shortsided.

    It's going to take time to change Congress over to someone that will do something to help the country. We need the current Congress men and women out and new ones in their place... repub and dem. Remember, their approval ratings are even worse that the President's.

    We need change, we need a conservative President to replace the liberal we have now. :D
  4. YZFBeliever

    YZFBeliever Well-Known Member

  5. R Acree

    R Acree WTF


    It hasn't worked. Nothing you are advocating is new.
  6. RCjohn

    RCjohn Killin machine.

    Robert, I know you aren't that naive even being from Canada.

    It shouldn't be any different or less convincing if he were white.

    What I stated was purely based on prejudice and/or racism. It's called reality in the US.

    The smears and questions about his background are part of the process. It happens to everyone that runs. Look at what the media and the Dems are doing to Palin. It goes with the territory. No candidate is immune.

    Being black could turn out to be a disadvantage for Obama. It could be an advantage. Either way, he will gain votes because of color and lose votes because of color. The amount for each side with determine whether it's an advantage or a disadvantage.

    The same would have happened with Hillary as the nominee is just would have been the gender not color.
  7. dtalbott

    dtalbott Driving somewhere, hauling something.

    And all of their staffs, too.
  8. RCjohn

    RCjohn Killin machine.

  9. Yamaha Fan

    Yamaha Fan Well-Known Member

    Why is it he is the one that repeatedly makes his color an issue?
  10. 999

    999 Well-Known Member

    Who cares about Congress's approval rating? They can't do anything with a 51/49 Senate majority because of the way our system is set up, but 90% of Americans don't understand anything about the way our govenrment works, so they blame congress.

    We are stupid, and that stupidity is compounded by lies that are reported as truth. Here is a case in point.

    Obama has proposed eliminating income taxes on seniors making less than $50,000 a year, but 41 percent of those seniors in a recent poll say their income taxes would go up in an Obama administration.

    I wonder where they got that idea?

  11. R Acree

    R Acree WTF

    I'm kind of comfortable with a split congress/wh. Considering some of the things they have proposed doing, Im glad they can't.

    And just for the record, neither side is honest and the impression the seniors have may well have come from the primaries.
  12. 999

    999 Well-Known Member

    What will work?

    What would you propose to do about:

    1- Health care
    2- Economy
    3- Jobs
    4- Cost of energy

  13. RCjohn

    RCjohn Killin machine.

    The stupid people are the ones that believe a proposal from Obama in the first place. The president can't do a damn thing if the Congress isn't on board.

    I care about Congress' approval ratings because I live in reality and realize they run the show.

    And don't even bring up that veto bullshit. Presidents rarely veto anything. This Congress can't use veto powers as an excuse for not doing anything. They have no excuse.

    You honestly think a big majority in either direction is good for the country?
  14. RCjohn

    RCjohn Killin machine.

    Exactly. Balance is good.

    We've had the most progress when there was balance until the war. The current administration and Congress can't seem to think about anything but the war.
  15. YZFBeliever

    YZFBeliever Well-Known Member

  16. YZFBeliever

    YZFBeliever Well-Known Member

  17. 999

    999 Well-Known Member

    You know that the house and senate will both have clear dem majorities, right?

    If you do know that, then what's your point? Even if they were republican, what do you think are rthe odds of a republican congress NOT passing an Obama proposal to cut taxes for 95% of working Americans? :D

    Come on.

  18. tomastopher

    tomastopher Well-Known Member

    pretty sure you answered your own question in the second to last sentnce, additionally i would add that the pharmico industry has alot to do with that as well when you consider that we pay more for prescription drugs in this country than just about anywhere else. Remember the response to people sourcing scripts from Canada? Basically our leader told us that we could not trust the quality or efficacy of foreign sourced prescription meds made in the same plants by the same companies but disributed in another country.

    [/QUOTE]Money is also not the problem with education. Many systems have bloated administrations and there is significant cost added for providing social programs that are not directly involved with education. Parents are a significant part of the problem. We've been throwing more money at schools for decades and the results are not getting better. Again, more of the same will not fix the system.[/QUOTE]

    More money is needed for those who are willing to take the risk of investing in their own future (student loans any one). There is an all time low in terms of availability of funds for higher education. Parenting is also important as you mentioned. But i find it ludicrous that in my area we have public high schools that have facilities that rival some colleges while a few miles away we have schools that are underfunded to the point that simple supplies are unavailable to the students. Like it or not to have a strong functioning society you need a degree of socialist policy, and not just for business, for the people!

    [/QUOTE]It is not the place of government to prop up any industry, automobiles included. The auto inductry is in trouble because of poor decisions by management and union greed. Promises made decades ago to mollify unions have created a pension and benefit structure that cannot be sustained.

    Any bailout of the above is coming out of my pocket and yours. There aren't enough rich and the poor don't pay anyway. Quite frankly, I feel I pay enough.[/QUOTE]

    It all comes out of our pockets one way or another. If a small percentage of what has been spent in an unsuccesful attempt to plunder a region's resources (Iraq) were diverted to domestic programs we would be far better off in terms of our abilities to compete in a global environment. From time to time things need to be propped up. The constitutional mandate for our government is to " Establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of our liberty.

    Call it a redistribution of wealth if you must, but the wealthy aren't being taxed into the poor house nor will they ever be. Shift your view to do your part not look what is being done to me.
    Last edited: Sep 11, 2008
  19. 999

    999 Well-Known Member

    What saying is that, exactly? And just for the record, I said "we".

    And could you possibly cite some source for your second paragraph, because it doesn't even come close to making sense they way it's written.

    Seniors "who CURENTLY pay no income tax" will
    * get a tax increase * AND * a rebate * which will result in a an increase?


  20. YZFBeliever

    YZFBeliever Well-Known Member

    1- eliminate the 3rd party payor system, allow insureres to cross state lines to sell policy to individuals as groups.

    2- Eliminate the IRS and incorporate a flat consumption tax (will never happen)

    3- Tax cuts for corporations who use create/keep jobs in America. Start a massive infrastructure revitalization program. This can only be accomplished with American workers and American steel/asphalt

    4- Do it all, do it now. A massive and immediate program to have the U.S. energy grid 80% nuclear by 2050. Drill everywhere we can safely drill. Begin to switch out auto market to CNG, offer tax breaks to auto makers who make/sell CNG cars and individuals who buy them.

    BTW, I own a business and I do community organization type work. I may be more qualified that BHO. But I have way too many skeletons. :eek:

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