97 MZ Skorpion legal in WERA vintage?

Tina wanted to marry Mr. Right, she just didn't know it was going be all the time

 

No I don't agree with rules be damn. All I've be trying to point out here is that AHRMA modern bikes (singles, twins, & triples) which make up 40-50% of the entries don't have a place to ride on Thursday. A few morning practice sessions would be enough to make it work for me.

I believe once word gets out to the modern AHRMA racers they might be inclined to skip N FL. Don't get me wrong the AHRMA/WERA combo is really great for the vintage racers but it's worse for the modern AHRMA guys than racing at DeLand, IMO.

bb

 

I would not think it would be asking to much for the modern AHRMA riders to be provided practice sessions thurs morning. If I were you I'd e-mail the wera vintage director & plead your case

 

Wow.. so many responses to reply to.

FZ750 in V5 - yes the rule book stated last year that it was to be removed from V5... I explained why it wasn't in a previous post. We had no basis for removing it based on the rules governing performance indexing. If the only argument opponents can come up with is "well gosh, it said in the rulebook that it would be removed after the 2002 season" then try to come up with something more valid. The rulebook has always been changed and modified, it's called improving. Thats why a new one is printed every year.

WERA Vintage does not exist as a dumping ground for racers and bikes that don't fit anywhere else. In this string I keep hearing the same argument that Bruce doesn't want to chase for points. He wants to get track time so he can prepare for Daytona. Great, WERA Vintage will have a morning practice session on Thursday and he can enter V7 for even more track time later in the afternoon. Since he's not chasing points, he shouldn't care about finishing position yet he can hone his skills by trying to keep up with faster V7 bikes at a technical track like NFMP. Now that's a challenge!

V5 LW and V6 LW - great, new classes. WERA can't fit any more races into the Saturday schedule so basically we'll have to add more classes into each race format. I know... V5 LW can run with V5 HW and V6 LW can run with V6 HW. So the only difference between this new schedule proposal and the present one is that more people will get trophies since the grids will be made up of the same people anyway, it's just that more people will be in the position to get "wood" or "metal" (as it is the trophies that show up at a vintage race outnumber the racers by a huge margin).

Tell you what, I have a shit load of meaningless trophies that I'm willing to give away to someone else who deserves it for just showing up at a race. That is the bottom line, isn't it? To allow more people to be "competative"? In fact, just so that more racers have the opportunity to be , er... "competitive", let's break down the classes even further. I propose V3 be broken down into V3 Tim (so that I don't have to race against him), V3 BMW (so that I don't have to race against Mark, Bucky or Barry) and lastly V3 byob (build your own bike... a class where you can't spend over a certain dollar figure and no fabrication or machine work can be farmed out. The racer has to do all the work himself/herself). There, that should allow me to be more "competative".

Makes sense, right?

 

Off topic...

Personally, I don't care what rifle someone chooses it's all personal preference. But when it comes to hunting season using historical firearms, centerfires/smokeless just don't count. They're a convenient copout for people wanting to extend their hunting season and couldn't give a rats ass about tradition.

I don't hunt but I have a .50 caliber Hawken caplock (couldn't afford a flintlock or even better... a matchlock) because of what's involved in order to make it fire successfully, accurately and consistently. The rituals involved in firing one is an art that takes time, knowledge and skill. You just don't get that kind of satisfaction with a centerfire. But then again, some people can justify almost anything.

 

Um...... Ah.....
Diesel......
it ain't legal for V-7 either.....
fun with a bike that don't fit ANYWHERE
probably why he asked nicely after he read the rulebook



Vintage 7
Heavyweight
Pre-1996 Unlimited Displacement Production based machines
Pre-1996 Factory GP machines up to 500cc
Mediumweight
Pre-1996 Up to 650cc 4-stroke Multis
Pre-1996 Up to 1200cc 4-stroke air cooled twins
Pre-1996 Up to 800cc 4-stroke water cooled twins
Pre-1996 250cc GP machines
Exclusions: No machine eligible for D Superbike, 125cc GP, or Clubman classes will be allowed to bump up. We will be working on the V7 rules as the year progresses so please let us know of any changes you would like.
V-7 Eligibility is based strictly on the age of the machine. No newer machines may be run regardless of similiarity to age legal machinery. V-7 machines must run stock (no aftermarket or homemade) frames.

 

no need to bring me into this.

btw i would love a lw v6 class. i will be running v7 on a old f3 some loudmouth gave me and i would love to be able to run my hawk competitivly in a vintage class also. its not that i am running away from modern classes either. in 2000 i ran the hawk in hvw twins/ltw twins/ d.super. i got 3rd for the region in hvy and top 5 in the others or close to it. i dont remember i may have gotten 6th in one. but i am becoming more of a vintage fan all the time. then i could just chase one series instead of 2


ok sorry for the interuption. i now return you to your regularly scheduled programed fighting

 

yes, that is why SUPER VINTAGE classes were formed
a place for not so competative bikes to still duke it out.

and Bob your bikes are not true vintage bikes

real vintage bikes are ....pre-75ish
real VINTAGE is V-1, V-2, and V-3

 

Some of mine are true vintage bikes for the classes you name, you just havn't seen them yet... when I get bored with what I'm racing (or in the RZ case, going to learn to race) I'll put some of those on the track.

 

this is fun

 

I agree 100%, I also use caplocks, since they have benn in widespread use since around 1807, thats tradition enough. I've also have a .50 caliber but also have a .54 barrel for it. I've got my heart set on a October Country .69 roundballer custom with a very slow twist(200 grains of FF normal load!!). Problem is, to afford it I 'd have to sell a racebike

 

now thats just crazytalk

 

get off the thermonuclear device......

 

on the FZ,
No, its not, Gosh, darn it, you said you were going to do this & you didn't. Its damn it, its a 20 valve water cooled four that never should have been in v5 in the first place.

v5 & v6 LW
Yes they would have to run at the same time, and no, it would not just be the same guys. I think doing the split would draw more of the lightweight bikes into vintage racing, whats the better tack? split them when they grow enough, or split them to make them grow? I'd pick the 2nd one.

 

yeah,
lets split up the Vintage classes.....
and make the solo20's shorter...... and piss off all the modern guys!!!!!!

more classes for the same old bikes

oh, NO, the larger grids are due to the SUPER VINTAGE Whore classes....

 

I have no problem with telling the modern guys to piss off...

 

hey, that is not funny
NO
wait
yes it is

 

good, then, shut the F@&* up, stick

 

i dont think i like you any more. your not a very nice sposor. you give me a bike to ride and then dog out the class and me. you suck almost as bad as tom

 

i'm sorry Stick. Please run your mouth.....like a red headed stepchild........