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Extension cord / GFI issue

Discussion in 'General' started by Scotty87, May 4, 2019.

  1. Scotty87

    Scotty87 Lacks accountability

    My boat has 2 batteries that run the trolling motor and one dedicated for starting/boat specific shit. It's got an onboard charging/conditioning system that maintains all three and is a dedicated marine use piece. The previous owner ran what looks like a simple big box store 3-1 8ft extension cord from the charging system to the transom grommet to facilitate easier charging, going direct requires removing the cover, opening a hatch, etc, etc. If the batteries get too low, it trips the GFI in my shop every time (20 amp circuit). If I disconnect the extension cord and plug directly into the charger, all is well.

    Obviously, I'm not a sorcerer. What gives?

    I like the connivence of using the accessible plug. Should I upgrade to a heavier gauge extension? Is this one just bad? It looks to be fairly medium duty and of good quality. I can't charge it overnight this way, as the entire aft section of the boat is open the batteries, the charger, etc etc and other stuff to the element.

    If I just get off the lake and plug into the extension cord it works fine, it only trips the GFI when it's pretty low.
     
  2. Kurlon

    Kurlon Well-Known Member

    Sounds like either the socket or the extension cord has picked up moisture and is leaking current internally.
     
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  3. Marid2apterbilt

    Marid2apterbilt Well-Known Member

    Iirc gfi works by monitoring the power going thru the live and neutral if there too far off or if you add an extra ground it will trip.
    I'm not electrical guru but I would make sure the extension cord and external connection to the boat are truly rated for what your trying to do.

    Start with the cord first. Make sure it's not a Chinese copper plated aluminum conducted.
     
  4. crusty9r

    crusty9r Human Lawn Dart

    I regularly replace cords on fans at work because they trip the gfci.
     
  5. pickled egg

    pickled egg There is no “try”

    If eliminating the cord eliminates the problem, the cord is the problem. There could be damaged insulation inside the outer jacket creating a "leak" that only rears its head under heavier loads (charger will be pulling more current when batteries are lower).

    I would replace the cable with type SO cable instead of SJ. Thicker insulation rated for 600v vs 250v. I would also suggest making the investment in weatherproof twist-lok plugs and sockets for the cord set.
     
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  6. Scotty87

    Scotty87 Lacks accountability

    Perfect. I’ll do that.
     
  7. worthless

    worthless Well-Known Member

    Buy a new boat.
     
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  8. In Your Corner

    In Your Corner Dungeonesque Crab AI Version

    Get rid of the GFCI, they're just a pain in the ass anyway.
     
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  9. pickled egg

    pickled egg There is no “try”

    You sound like the appliance service tech that can't get a brand new commercial dishwasher to not trip...
     
  10. In Your Corner

    In Your Corner Dungeonesque Crab AI Version

    I don't have time to fuck around with new-fangled shit.
    I'm from the pennies-in-the-fusebox generation.
     
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  11. pickled egg

    pickled egg There is no “try”

    You're from the flying a kite in a thunderstorm generation...
     
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  12. beac83

    beac83 "My safeword is bananna"

    Can't tell neutral from ground, huh?
    Wait till they start enforcing the 2017 code and he has to make it work with an AFCI/GFCI :D
     
  13. Venom51

    Venom51 John Deere Equipment Expert - Not really

    Keep that AFCI shit to yourself. I have plenty that were put in when the basement was finished. They are all in a box sitting on a shelf. The new home owner can have them when I move. Can't run a brushed motor with any time on it on those stupid things. I got tired of resetting the breaker while trying to run the shop vac.
     
  14. pickled egg

    pickled egg There is no “try”

    That's only residential. This is at a restaurant I wired.

    He managed somehow to fix it today. Dried out the control panel that someone didn't properly attach and let water in. This was after he shit talked me about how it needed to be hard wired in, it couldn't be cord and plugged.

    And we've been on 2017 code since 9/17 IIRC. All the more reason I don't use Square D, their breakers take up all the gutter space and make the panels look like shit
     
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  15. speedluvn

    speedluvn Man card Issuer

    And don’t forget the larger tow vehicle
     
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