SHTF in Venezuela?

FIFY

 

Coming to a country near you. Can’t believe all the lefties here think they will be able to make it work.

 

What they believe is that if they were supreme dictator they’d do it right. They’re just fascist scum who use the communist ideology to try to justify totalitarianism.

 

If all you see is oil, you only see two colors and missing the bigger picture.

 

Recent history of neocon regime change operations:
- Iraq
- Afghanistan
- Syria
- Egypt
- Libya

Which one was the success, exactly?

 

We need to lift the sanctions which are now the excuse for not accepting aid and the excuse for the poor economy. That would let the government get overthrown from within when they can't blame us anymore. Let the Pope of whoever go in and negotiate them out of power if possible.

The US implementing regime change rarely has good results unless we are willing to do a full scale rebuilding program for 20 years or so. Germany and Italy have turned out pretty well but not a lot of success stories since then. I have not done research and I imagine I am missing a few since then, so feel free to add some examples.

 

How would lifting sanctions allow them to regime change any less violently than what they're doing now? Their crude is tar-like garbage and the market has access to much better oil everywhere else including from the US.

10:27 in

 

Not necessarily less violently, but we wouldn't need to send in troops and be blamed for the mess afterwords. Nor would we be blamed for "killing innocent civilians" as we almost always are these days anytime anyone besides an obvious enemy combatant gets killed in a war zone when we are taking part.

What is your supposed up side for us being involved? As you stated the oil is crap, so what do we have to gain except a "war" for Trump to win so he can get reelected, more money for the industrial war machine, etc.

Defend our borders. Help with humanitarian aid as necessary. If anyone tries to exert tyrannical power outside of their borders, then step in and kick their ass back where it came from, but DON'T get involved in the internal politics of other countries.

 

The current regime is using the sanctions (which have been in place for years prior to the collapse of the Venezuelan oil prices) as an excuse.

I propose the US just continues to prevent dumping good money after bad into Venezula and lets them sort their own mess out.

 

Germany, Japan and to a lesser extent Italy we completely smashed and conquered utterly. The other regime change operations haven’t even come close to that level of commitment. Regime change works when you burn down their entire society with B29s, incendiary bombs and nukes and occupy them with millions of troops.

Unless we have that level of commitment, we shouldn’t bother. Covert aid to native forces should be the extent of our help. Though that can snowball into Vietnam situations.

 

Does the Monroe doctrine still play a role in any of this?

 

There is no reason to have boots on the ground in Venezuela. Do what we’ve been doing and let the CIA handle it. Putting troops there doesn’t help us one bit.

 

Call it a training exercise.
One weekend, in and out.

 

Venezuelan problems are for Venezuela to solve. I'm gonna pass.

 

Yeah, except most of those CIA operations turn out to be a bunch of yahoos trying to out Wild Bill Donovan each other. Not to mention ignoring their primary mission (hint: it's the middle initial of CIA).

 

They do much more than that

 

"I thought it was an S.T.O."

 

Dang it...The National Guard and Reserves are going to get this one!!!