MotoGP | Jerez | Spain |May 4-6 | 2018

You're right, he should have come to a complete stop and looked both ways before crossing the apex.

 

Is there a time limit you have to be in front of someone before it's officially considered a pass? If they crossed the finish line like that, does Lorenzo still win?

 

Oh Lord. Dern being Dern.

 

I would posit that the interpretation of position at the finish line on the last lap isn't the same as some 14 laps prior to the position of a time on lap 14. In other words, D'ern's claim of "back and forth" was immaterial to understanding where Dani was when George squared off the corner. YMMV

 

Wasn't immaterial to Dani...

 

He shoulda just stayed in the paddock.

 

No, his butlers probably really appreciate the 40 minutes he is on the track and not in the pits. I could literally hear the groans from his pit when they realized he was coming back early

 

40 mins if he goes race distance...that is rare these days

 

Great. Now answer the question. How long does someone need to be ahead of someone to consider them passed? Can you posit me that?

 

No but a grid marshall sure can if your last name is Marquez.

 

One full corner. You're welcome.

 

Yeah I think that was legitimate. Cal wouldn’t buy the better brakes on principle, Dovi just said “ah fuck it” and paid out of pocket so he could score better results. I definitely see Cal’s point, but sometimes you need to do whatever it takes.

It was funny when he was bitching about the fuel tank and when he got it, it tanked his results. The carbon fiber swing arm probably is better, but Cal will probably break it in the gravel traps and be right back to aluminum so it’s a moot point.

 

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? Not sure I get that. Of course the speed matters. It certainly impacts the potential and the magnitude of a mistake.

But that wasn't really my point. My point was being sick and tired of people blaring on with a tone like if they were on the bike instead of X person they would have done this or that.

GTFO. You're not on the bike. They are. There's a reason they understand and have experienced what it feels like to go 300 clicks down the road. And you and I don't. And I think that reason matters. I can't blink that fast.

There is no way I would ever disagree with you Sean on matters of racing integrity: to me, you ARE racing integrity.

But racing experience is I think something different? I wouldn't presume to know what it feels like to ride at Marc, Jorge, Maverick, Vale speed, perhaps you do? And then take the leap that you know (and would have presumably done better) to navigate through? Well, good for you. That's my point, the tone.

 

Can someone explain why the crash with the big boys was just a racing incident (which I agree with) and why Canet had a similar situation and got a penalty? From my view he was backing it in, probably a little hot, and lost the front. He just happened to collect some other bikes with him. Didn't seem to be some crazy bonzai dive and he's not some newb at a trackday. He wasn't swerving around or riding over his head for the whole race. He just lost the front and seemed to catch an unusual amount of criticism for it.

 

He's a habitual offender.

He saw red mist and intentionally took someone out just a race or two ago during practice, and was let off without a penalty. He's now basically riding on probation, and he's going to continuously get punished whenever his ambition outweighs his talent.

 

Basically this. If Márquez had done the same thing Dani did, he would have been more likely to be penalized due to his bowling ball impersonation in Argentina.

 

Fans of any sport make comments on the actions of the players. It has nothing to do with tone, or the common person's lack of having gone 180 mph, but has everything to do with expecting a certain level of performance and/or action/reaction from the very, very select few people in the entire world riding on this particualar stage. You've never commented on a seemingly moronic action of any favorite player or team of any sport?

 

Well, perhaps we disagree. I think it has quite a lot to do with tone.

Moronic vs. seemingly moronic. That is tone. To me, the former implies peerage, the latter allows room for the benefit of the doubt to accrue to the participant, who is, you know, actually participating.

As a lifelong sports fan, I have screamed and hurled
all manner of expletives and objects in the

excitement and passion of the moments, in celebration, and in disappointment.

I hope that I have never implied, with the lack of
amplifying adjectives, to appear as a peer. Because I am not, from that perspective. Sports are to uplift, are they not? Don't get the ugliness.