Another Boeing 737 Max-8 crash

Sorry about that. It’s embarrassing really, didn’t mean to send those photos my girlfriend sent me to everyone. Had to call my mom after this and tell her all of those photos were just for dad.

 

There's a funny video of the captain addressing the passengers on that flight. It's basically... don't make me turn this plane around .

 

it's more of a question, of WTH is wrong with people

 

drugs and alcohol. It’s our new reality. Buckle your seatbelts. Gonna be a rough ride.

 

Airdrop? Is that an iphone thing?

 

yeah...transfer photo and videos from sheep to sheep

 

The airdrop thing has been going on for a while. I was at a bar with some friends last week and someone air dropped my friend's wife a pornographic picture. It's kind of funny, until someone gets offended. Now it's part of the announcements that "if anyone is making you feel uncomfortable, please let a flight attendant know." This stems from people claiming they were assaulted after the flight by a seat mate or something. So most airlines have this line in their announcements nowadays.

Since I'm not a perv, if I try to air drop someone a photo, it says "Gino would like to drop you a photo" So these fuckers must have something figured out. If you don't want to receive any photos, you should probably set your air drop to "contacts only." For some reason, when we go to bars, my buddy's wife still leaves her air drop set to "everyone"

I remember one time I was in line at Disney World, and I saw this 65 year old lady messing with her phone. Suddenly I got a notification "Mildred wants to Air Drop you 1,596 pictures" Of course I declined, the poor lady had no idea what she was starting.

 

I was on a jumper out of Maine many years ago, maybe 80 people on the jet. After pushback, I see a pilot come out (not sure if Capt. or FO) and talk to some lady in her seat. I couldn’t hear it, but he did give a rye smile before walking back to his office in front of the jet.

“Ladies and gentlemen, we were number four in line for takeoff, but because the lady in seat 4C refuses to put her seatbelt on, we’re going to the back of the line … “

The collective groan and just the pure hate that came out of everyone in that jet still reminds me of the time I didn’t spend in Vietnam as a tunnel rat. Holy shit - even the old lady one row up looked like she was ready to use her rosary to strangle that cunt.

 

Had no idea what it is. Had to search it. Gawd! I feel old. Thankfully, it’s an app and it’s not in my phone.

 

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifesty...ged-800-feet-pacific-ocean-takeoff-data-shows

Now they gotta ground all the 777s?

 

the pilots went for additional training

 

Did it go something like. “During take offs. Up, good. Down, bad”?

 

This is a strange one. This is the same day that there was severe turbulence off of Maui that injured a bunch of passengers and crew on a Hawaiian airlines flight. This is the same storm that Flooded California and caused the ice storm in Texas. So there is a POSSIBILITY that it was a weather or microburst event.

About a year ago, an Emirates 777 leaving Dubai forgot to set the altitude in the Mode Control Panel window (left zeros set) and the flight director or the autopilot (flight director tells the autopilot OR the pilot (depending on who's flying) what to do to get the desired flight path) tried to maintain ZERO altitude for several miles. They roared over rooftops and took out several antennas for about 5 miles before someone decided they had better pull back on the stick (basic pilot stuff). Of course they continued on to Dulles with a damaged airplane and because the flight was so long, the CVR and FDR were overwritten. The crew was eventually fired but not before flying home, so we'll never know what really happened. The only reason we know about it is because the nerds who watch flights with flight radar or other tracking apps were talking about it online. Just like this event.

Also a similar event happened recently with another Middle Eastern airline, I forget which one now.

It seems there is a problem with crews taking off with zeros set as the altitude and then engaging the autopilot at 50 feet. But that doesn't explain the United event. The autopilot commands at MOST 2,000 ft / min rate of descent, whereas they achieved over 8,000 ft / min which is extreme, even if it was only momentary.

The industry is in a strange place with a lot of young, less experienced pilots being hired to replace everyone who retired during COVID and sustain the massive growth that Wall Street demands. Those people are being moved up rapidly and that means you have alot of people in new positions with less experience than in the past, by a large margin. This is happening worldwide. Also these same crews are being pushed to the limits like never before as they try to maximize productivity and cover more flights with less crews.

The other issue that nobody wants to address is that training low time, inexperienced pilots to fly complex jets can be done; however the only way you are going to get every pilot through the required training is to have them rely heavily on the automation. That is what most airlines have been training (foreign airlines are the worst and rely the most heavily on automation) and if you look at the most recent accidents in the past 8-10 years, the automation did something unexpected or downright screwy and the pilots couldn't recover.

 

The FAA even with it's bajillion dollar budget, can't police everyone everywhere. Most of the time, with our technology, the airline knows about an incident well before the Feds find out. So the crew writes safety reports (self reporting also can protect you if you make a mistake) and the airline comes up with a remedial training plan for the people involved (mechanics, dispatchers, and ground crew can also use this system). Then they present what happened and how they handled it to the FAA when they come knocking weeks or months later.

This is not so much to avoid penalizing the airline or crews, but they have figured out that it's better to get the whole story and see how the event could be prevented in the future, than it is to simply punish people. This way crews are not afraid to report mistakes and something is usually learned, thus enhancing safety.

 

Tell me about it....... when I got hired at F9, I was "low time" with 7k hours. Fast forward to today, I'm flying with 1500hr CFI's who have never flown Jets before. Some of the FO's are good unfortunately they are the minority.

What is really strange about this time period is that the legacy airlines find themselves hiring low time pilots. It's not just the regionals hiring low timers anymore.

Back to the 777 in Maui, could have been an inadvertent/premature flap retraction in conjunction with weather. Either way, wild ride and very lucky they didn't put it in the pacific.

I hate to say it, but we are due for another accident. The signs are all there.

 

Every time I watch a CitationMax video I think shit, I can fly a small jet. All you have to do is turn some knobs on the auto pilot when the guy on the radio tells you to. I might not grease the landings but I wouldn’t crash. Hardest part is coming up with a cool sounding plane ID. 2 Romeo Foxtrot is hard to beat. Maybe I should rethink my confidence level.

Do you think it was as stupid as the pilots had zero altitude set when the engaged autopilot at 2000 ft?

 

I know a guy who got typed in a G4 with like 600 hours total time. He's kind of that way with most things but I'm still shocked they let it happen.

 

Positive rate.
Flaps up.



wait I mean gear up gear up

whoops.

 

I've met Max. He is a very nice and down to earth kid.

 

Your industry sounds like the trucking industry. The difference is compounded in mine, where we have a massive influx of inexperienced immigrants being shoved behind the wheel of an 80K pound semi-truck. A huge percentage of these people have never driven anything more than cart behind a donkey, until coming here. It’s unbelievable!