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Trump impeachment

Discussion in 'The Dungeon' started by gixxerreese, Sep 24, 2019.

  1. Funkm05

    Funkm05 Dork

    Nope. He could very easily ask them to investigate because it was the right thing to do. To say that his asking them to do that was tied in any way to the funds has yet to be even remotely shown. So your options are way too limited there. The ONLY way your options have any merit is if you’re explicitly tying the funds to the call (favor request) which no one has proven in any way. Sane people would argue quite the opposite. The only “evidence” of a tie is in the “opinions” of those the Dems cherry-picked to testify. Is it Trump’s fault that the guy publicly bragging about getting a prosecutor fired in exchange for funds happens to be trying to run against him? That still NEEDS to be investigated. Hell, at this point, Biden isn’t even a political rival of Trump’s. He’s got to get through the rest of the field, first.
     
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  2. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    I'm waiting for the Trump tweet "Why is everyone so upset? I was just trying to help Creepy Uncle Joe clear his and Hunters names!" :D
     
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  3. sheepofblue

    sheepofblue Well-Known Member

    Republicans choose poorly. Should have chosen Mark Levin. The screeching of democrats would have been epic. Plus he likely knows more history and constitutional law than the other 'witnesses'. Entertainment factor alone would have made it worthwhile.
     
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  4. sheepofblue

    sheepofblue Well-Known Member

    How the high bar of 'some' which is still not met. Third hand knowledge and feelings are not evidence. NOTHING else has been presented against him while a LOT has been presented in his favor (such as the clown who 'felt' yet when explicitly asked was told no conditions). In a regular trial this would have been tossed for lack of evidence long ago.
     
  5. Spang308

    Spang308 Well-Known Member

    They sure have been successful at getting you to focus on the shiny object...and plenty of others I suspect. For the umteenmillionth time, this has nothing to do with Biden. The freak out is twofold. On July 24th Mueller put a final nail in their Russia Hoax by testifying and making a complete ass of himself at the same time clearly displaying for everyone even partly paying attention that not only did he not write the "Mueller" report, but he also may not even have a sound mental state and was a figurehead to appear for this witchhunt to not appear partisan. That died July 24th for good. No collusion, no obstruction, a hoax. What happened July 25th? Ohhhh, the Trump/Ukraine call. Guess that's a coincidence huh?
    The bigger issue is not the call, not Biden and not some bullshit imaginary quid pro quo (now re-termed bribery because it polled better with the rubes), but with Trump sniffing around a missing 8 billion dollars in foreign aide to Ukraine and asking Zelensky to look into it. What probably sent them into overdrive was the mention of Crowdstrike, but we'll leave that for another episode.
    There was some seriously shady shit going on in Ukraine during the Obama administration and while some of it may involve the Bidens, I think it goes way deeper and way bigger. Two things these swamp monsters never ever dreamed would happen. One, Trump getting elected. Two, a Trumplike anti swamp counterpart getting elected in Ulraine.
    Be impartial, remove your dislike for Trump and start looking at the evidence that is surfacing.
     
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  6. sheepofblue

    sheepofblue Well-Known Member

    Abuse of power would be denial of counsel, denial of due process, spying on other committee members, etc. Classic communist tactic is accuse your opponent of your misdeeds. Your guy extorts a country using our aid for his benefit, accuse the opponent. Have to lie and abuse power to even charge your opponent, accuse him of it. @#$@#$ commies.
     
  7. Spang308

    Spang308 Well-Known Member

    Alan Dershowitz would have also been a good choice and openly stated he was willing. He's a liberal, but he is disgusted at the Dems destruction of the constitution right now.
     
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  8. Spang308

    Spang308 Well-Known Member

    You mean like Schiff obtaining Devin Nunes and Rudy Giuliani's phone records?
    Republicans need to subpoena Schiff's phone records right now. Like today. The gloves need to come off now!
     
  9. 2blueYam

    2blueYam Track Day Addict

    Just as what Joe and Hunter Biden did looks bad and doesn't pass the smell test and looks corrupt, what Trump did in asking the Ukraine a favor to investigate Hunter Biden and Joe Biden during a time when Joe Biden was a declared candidate for President also doesn't pass the smell test. It should be investigated and if there is evidence found that it was politically motivated then Trump should be impeached and removed. Right now, the people that would know that have all been told not to testify and are ignoring the Congressional subpoenas. So you folks are the ones that are blinded if you can't see why a reasonable person might find that suspicious enough to continue the investigation and possibly even Impeach.

    I concur the whole Quid-Pro-Quo was a really stupid path to go down. That was a dead end and I thought the Democrats chasing that without something more solid to base it on was a mistake, and it turns out it was a mistake because now all we here from the Trump supporters is "THERE IS NO QUID-PR-QUO! Not guilty."

    I have no issues with investigating Schiff, his ties to the Whistleblower and the shady lawyer. Subpoena away, except the Republicans on the committee can't because Schiff won't let them so that will have to wait for the Senate trial where it will be challenged and stall in the courts just like the Subpoenas for the Administration documents.
     
  10. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    Even if he did mean it that way there is no way to prove it no matter who thinks they know for sure what he was thinking and it's not impeachable :crackup:
     
  11. 2blueYam

    2blueYam Track Day Addict

    If Trump told people in his administration that he was going to sink Biden's candidacy by having the Ukrainians investigate the Bidens that would be proof beyond a reasonable doubt. We have no way of knowing if that happened or not at this point because the people he would have told are not responding to the congressional subpoenas. If that was the case, then why wouldn't that be impeachable as it is clearly an abuse of power?
     
  12. gixxerreese

    gixxerreese Well-Known Member

    I love how democrats need to defend the constitution yet want to remove the second amendment which is the most important to defend the constitution.
     
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  13. TXFZ1

    TXFZ1 Well-Known Member

    Would have to prove intent and that is hard as RG was in Ukraine asking for the investigation before Biden announced. Second, Trump asked for investigations as in plural and not just to make up dirt on Biden. Third, the next day he told Sondlond, no quid pro quo.
     
  14. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    Guess then you get into the pissing match about what is abuse versus just use :D So far I'm not seeing anything that would lead me to believe Trump would ever say such a thing so not really sure why the speculation. He may be an ass but he's not stupid. Everything he does/says/types leaves him an out.
     
  15. Banditracer

    Banditracer Dogs - because people suck

    You must have listened to Bongino today. :D
     
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  16. Spang308

    Spang308 Well-Known Member

    You don't listen to instructions very well. Forget about Biden. This isn't about Biden. The Dems are making it about Biden as a smoke screen because they sure as hell can't attempt to impeach a president for looking into government corruption and 8 billion missing taxpayer dollars.
    "Hey look, a squirrel."
    Get it? It sure seems you don't.
     
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  17. Spang308

    Spang308 Well-Known Member

    Eight billion dollars of U.S. aide went missing in the Ukraine. Trump wants to know where it went. There have been some very nefarious reports of embezzlement and it leads to Democrats from previous administrations. Trump wants it looked into and so should every damn American voter/taxpayer. Biden is collateral damage because he was involved, NOT the focus.
     
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  18. G 97

    G 97 Garth

    No political bias what so ever from Gerhardt, Feldman or Karlan who BTW was on the cusps of becoming triggered. :crackup:

    You can be the worlds leading scholar experts in regards to the Constitution and impeachment but if you are not impartial and have shown a proclivity to be biased while interjecting your own perception and opinion and presenting them as fact about Trumps behavior and intent then you are worthless.

    Pretty clear to see the sheer magnitude of bias they have against Trump. Kangaroo style.
     
  19. Spang308

    Spang308 Well-Known Member

    Timelines matter.
     
  20. Venom51

    Venom51 John Deere Equipment Expert - Not really

    Well at least one of them has some sense.

     

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