Separating families?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aid_to_Families_with_Dependent_Children
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Society

The fake outrage from the great separators of families is astounding. They been separating families with their "Modern Day Plantation" for years. Rewarding out of wedlock fatherless families.

Imagine arresting a parent for a crime (illegal crossing a border) and making the kids go to prison with their criminal parents. These so called kids are being treated very good. They are not being put in concentration camps.

 

Yeah, but they're all emotional and shit so they must be right.

 

Hey Dems, Lefties, libs, socialists, etc.... We cannot have open borders and a welfare state.

 

Now I understand everyone's shit's emotional right now. But I've got a 3 point plan that's going to fix EVERYTHING.

 

I think one of the main issues is that the DHS, at their own admission, cannot find hundreds of separated kids they placed in foster families and shelters - leading people to suspect trafficking. They are passing the buck back and forth trying to point fingers at other departments for the legal responsibility for the 1500 kids they cannot locate. Their unofficial-official stance is: Sorry. Not my fault. Good luck.

If the government took my kids and lost them, I would lose my fucking shit. And rightly so. Especially if said government placed my child in the hands of a predator that is now selling their flesh.
Me committing a crime does not make it right for the government to physically deprive me of my offspring, lose them, and then tell me to fuck right off when I want them back so we can go elsewhere when my time is served.

Who is responsible for the 1500 kids the DHS placed in the care of the Office of Refugee Resettlement and then went on to lose track of?

That's where my emotion lays. With 18 month old babies that were separated and no one can find them now that the parents are trying to get back out. fuck that noise. Doesn't matter for how long it has been happening - it's happening. Fix it.

 

Or possibly they aren’t lost but being hidden by and staying with other illegals. Which is what I would expect. I would highly doubt that somehow 1500 kids got rounded up at once and place into sex trafficking. The logistics alone would make this quite a difficult task.

Maybe the kids don’t want to be found in the first place. Hell they are in the county, why would they want to check in. Why would they want the government to know of their location and be subjected to possible future deportation. Better to hide at an extended family member, blend in and receive amnesty for citizenship.

 

This is a jumbled mess of half-truths.
Nobody lost any kids. You must have missed the memo, that story died within days when someone realized they might not want ICE agents tracking down those kids which were not lost since they were not in the custody or care of the federal government, they were released to sponsors, many if not most of whom are here illegally.
You're drinking the leftist Kool-Aid.

 

I don't see why they just don't stay in Mexico if it that bad here.

 

Just as in all things, the argument seems to be nuanced (or else, someone has had enough time to come up with some kind of spin)...

According to this, there aren't 1500 children lost, or at least that's the argument.

 

Better than the government piss you drink.
I linked a government document - Which is where my information comes from - not any media articles.
The fear of where the kids have ended up is the current political temperature - it has not died down, you just filter out shit you don't agree with - where as I keep people of all opinions in my sphere.
You gave me no source for your drivel.


A trafficking ring is NOT logistically difficult. And there are thousands trafficked in the US already each year.
It is not what you think it is. There isn't some warehouse where they hole hundreds of children up. It's a care taker or someone they trust doing this to them.
It's vulnerable children being exploited for sex. It's young kids being placed naked in front of a camera for people around the world to look at. It's grooming the young ones for a life of prostitution. It's easy to manipulate children. Very easy. And very easy to get away with trafficking them because of it.

 

Bzzzt the issue is Trump hate.

If you read the articles they released them to guardians and family and QUIT tracking them. In many cases they flew the little urchins that crossed (and not with their parents) to the illegal family that they had planned on going to. Yep just enabled the lawless actions.

As to your kids you are law abiding. But as a citizen if you were not and got sent to jail guess what your kids go into foster care (assuming you were a single mother). If not they would go to family.

But I will ask a question I have heard before. If the parent is in adult detention what else would you do with the kid? What is your solution? Send them to prison with the parents? Not enforce the law and set the parents loose guaranteeing that more will come?

Seriously people this is a manufactured drama to disrupt the enforcement of law by Trump's administration, to hide the utter corruption the probe into the Justice department and generally disrupt the Trump administration agenda.

 

It certainly isn't easy and there is a lot of speculation with very little information.
One side says they are with illegals and they other side says they lost track of them.
No one has any actual information.

I said " the fear was" I didn't say the reality was.
Unfortunately for some here - its the same thing to them and they lose their damn heads and start calling people "leftys" and "liberals" because it's the only thing left in their deck.
Woo fucking woo.
Imma go cry in to my covfefe now.

 

Most of this shit isn't even Tumps policies. They were in place under obama. And that was my point: we know shit's a mess now, so why not fix it?
I have seen nothing that says they quit tracking them - only that they lost contact with them and have no legal responsibility for them.

The separation doesn't bother me - it's the lost track of children that went to "sponsors" who could be family or they could be in the foster care system.

 

Or they are leaving out. Kid that is 17 year old gang member comes across. Gets sent to sponsor or host home and leaves to go where he was planning anyway. Ooooooo he's lost the poooooooor urchin!

Just a possibility on top of those in the article.

 

I propose though that the media wants you to worry. The fact that there is not an issue is irrelevant thus they are misreporting it.

 

I heard they got kids warehoused in an old walmart right where they used to sell wimmens unmentionables and pirated DVDs!
Plus theres these pics of kids sleeping in dog kennels... from 2010!! God damned Trump!

 

Also I like how the fact that arrested folks were crossing at points not made to do so. Endangering rescue personnel!
Nobody is getting arrested at normal points of entry. Sure theres a wait.

 

Since when is it a crime to seek asylum? A large percentage of these families split up did not sneak into the country with any intent of becoming illegal aliens. You all keep saying arrested, when that's not what is happening - they are being detained while seeking asylum.

 

Your information couldn't have come from the document you linked because it was a conflation of two different issues, due to ignorance, lying, or both.
You picked it up from the news. This is CNN on May 26, updated on May 28 to make them look better,

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/26/politics/hhs-lost-track-1500-immigrant-children/index.html

Here's the article CNN posted on May 29 with the new story:
Here's what's really happening with the 1,500 'missing' immigrant children

From that story, I have quoted the section describing the genesis of the claim you made about losing children, which is only part of the explanation for the whole claim.

In early May, the Trump administration announced it would start enacting a "100% prosecution" policy at the border, which would refer anyone crossing the border illegally for federal prosecution. This policy functionally separates children from their families, because children cannot accompany adults who are taken into federal custody.
Because of the attention surrounding this new policy, people revisited a claim made by Steven Wagner, a top official with the Department of Health and Human Services, during a hearing in April. During that hearing, Wagner said the Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR) was "unable to determine with certainty the whereabouts of 1,475 UAC (unaccompanied alien children)."
Some people began to conflate Wagner's comment and the new policy, forming the idea that these children were forcibly separated from their families at the border and then lost. In fact, ORR officials couldn't locate the children between October and December of 2017 -- way before this new policy took effect.
In fact, unaccompanied child immigrants don't come over the border with their families -- hence the designation of "unaccompanied." Some of the 1,500 children could have been separated from the groups with which they entered the country, but it would not have been as a result of the Trump administration's new policy. For instance, if a child comes with an adult and it can't be verified that the adult is a parent or legal guardian, the adult and child would be separated.
"The way it has worked historically is, when a child comes into the US without a parent or legal guardian, if there is a parent or guardian or relative already here, they would be placed with that person as a 'sponsor' while they are undergoing immigration hearings," says Jennifer Ward, an immigration and family services expert who spent 10 years as executive director of a refugee resettlement agency in Tennessee.
Ward says the ORR typically makes a follow-up welfare call or visit to the sponsor a few weeks or months after the child is placed. According to Wagner, such an action is part of the ORR's process, but the agency "is not legally responsible for children after they are released from ORR care."


In conclusion, you're totally wrong.
No kids were lost, just admit it.

 

Wow, is that the new scam these days, to say they're "seeking asylum"?
Honestly, I haven't caught what nationality the majority of these border jumpers are these days.....anyone?

Soooo is that the new fix, don't cross illegally, just say you're seeking asylum! SMDH!


As for the supposed missing kids, if they were released to 'family or guardian' why on earth would the Government need to spend taxpayer monies in "tracking" them??? I CAN see the point if they're 'placing' them in foster like homes but other than that, sounds pretty damn costly and nonsensical to me.

Mind you, ALL THE PEOPLE reporting this shit, IMHO, they can't be trusted at all.

Last point, what boggles the mind is that nothing different is happening today than it has been since going back as far as possibly Bill Clinton. How in fvck do these dumbasses think it went down with prior Admins???