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MotoAmerica changes for 2018

Discussion in 'General' started by rcarson15, Sep 9, 2017.

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  1. stangmx13

    stangmx13 Well-Known Member

    Depends on if the racer wins or not
     
    stangmx13, Nov 29, 2017
    #1161
  2. Canadian Bacon

    Canadian Bacon .

    I can program the Motec stuff pretty good and actually have one at home for a project. You can get lost in it quick so break it down into simple elements
     
    Canadian Bacon, Nov 29, 2017
    #1162
  3. Canadian Bacon

    Canadian Bacon .

    No but a Motec unit (or comparable) lets you do a lot more than just TC.... amazing pieces of kit once programmed correctly, if not done correctly they are a disaster though.
     
    Canadian Bacon, Nov 29, 2017
    #1163
  4. SundaySocial

    SundaySocial Blue & Gold

    Woolich Racing Software for 2007 + SV is about 750 (USD) with the data logger, and is WAY more reliable than the piggyback set ups
    A guy could build an altitude based map data base and have a setup ‘ready to load’ for most altitude and barometric conditions.
    Reportedly you can do AFR, and ignition timing with one box, a few wires, a relay and an O2 sensor. :D
     
    SundaySocial, Nov 29, 2017
    #1164
  5. TWF2

    TWF2 2 heads are better than 1

    I won't even put tach on my sv, never mind all other electronics :)
     
    TWF2, Nov 29, 2017
    #1165
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  6. regularguy

    regularguy Always Krispy

    So that's where Sam gets it...
     
    regularguy, Nov 29, 2017
    #1166
  7. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    Dynos are useless with modern electronics. And yes, I fully expect anyone with a dominant bike to change maps before the bikes hits a dyno that could change rules out of their favor.
     
    Mongo, Nov 30, 2017
    #1167
  8. RM Racing

    RM Racing Tool user

    Useless? I would strongly disagree with that statement. Regardless, I think regularguy may have been suggesting using the dyno to compare different brands and builds in order to establish parity, not to use it as a penalty device. DMG did it all the time. Unfortunately, Dynojet is not a sponsor anymore, so there is not a dyno automatically in place.
     
    RM Racing, Nov 30, 2017
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  9. SundaySocial

    SundaySocial Blue & Gold

    Some kind of open / closed switch setup ? I have heard of these things but they are too difficult for us technology averse (luddites?) to understand. Thats why we all like the twins !
     
    SundaySocial, Nov 30, 2017
    #1169
  10. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    Seriously?

    You know you can easily set it up so the rider or wrench can change maps before the bike gets from the track to the dyno. As long as that possibility exists they are useless for determining rules using the actual bikes being raced. If you're using stock models as a baseline then yes dynos are good, if you're using known mods or a 100% spec ecu then yes they're good for comparisons. But as soon as you're using a bike that someone else built or tuned you cannot guarantee anything so you cannot use it to determine legality or even future rule changes as you've lost the accuracy you need.
     
    Mongo, Nov 30, 2017
    #1170
  11. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    Good computer guys can do it in different ways. The ecu sees the power cycle a certain number of times in a certain time period - switches maps. Same for anything the ecu can see or controls which in new bikes is a huge amount of things. Any sensor can be set so if it does something specific the ecu can be changed. The more open the ecu rules the easier it is.
     
    Mongo, Nov 30, 2017
    #1171
  12. TX Joose

    TX Joose Well-Known Member

    Of course it would have to be stock because that's the only way you can compare each bike equally.
     
    TX Joose, Nov 30, 2017
    #1172
  13. Tristan

    Tristan Well-Known Member

    Not really, as one bike may respond dramatically different to intake/exhaust mods. (for example the FZ07's known restrictive intake)
     
    Tristan, Nov 30, 2017
    #1173
  14. RM Racing

    RM Racing Tool user

    It’s always foolish to challenge someone who knows everything. Shame on me.
     
    RM Racing, Nov 30, 2017
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  15. TX Joose

    TX Joose Well-Known Member

    Yeah but can you really write rules for stuff like that? Just like bikes react differently to exhausts. Seems silly IMO.
     
    TX Joose, Nov 30, 2017
    #1175
  16. regularguy

    regularguy Always Krispy

    I understand what you're saying. It would be nice to think the bikes could roll up there as is. Without Dynojet on board for 2018, it most likely won't happen. We'll see who has the hot rod at Rd Atl when they come out of turn 7. 650 vs 650 vs 689 vs 800.
     
    regularguy, Nov 30, 2017
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  17. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    So please tell me why I'm wrong. I'd love to learn more. My post is based on my experiences running dyno classes and talking to people like Ammar about it and how easy it is to cheat the dyno. I'd love to hear your experience about how accurate it is and how the officials can get around the potential for cheating.

    You're the expert professional tuner so teach us lowly officials.
     
    Mongo, Nov 30, 2017
    #1177
  18. Newsshooter

    Newsshooter Well-Known Member

    Yup, 4.5 wheel even pinches the Pirelli 160.
     
    Newsshooter, Nov 30, 2017
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  19. ts199

    ts199 Well-Known Member

    Or we could let them race and see what happens! The disparity of rider talent in a class like this will most likely be the main determining factor on who wins and who doesn't, not the bike.
     
    ts199, Nov 30, 2017
    #1179
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  20. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    Yep. That's what will make it hard changing the rules based on the bikes. However, they should be able to get a feel for it as they get to know the riders running it.
     
    Mongo, Nov 30, 2017
    #1180
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