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Helmet comms for coaching?

Discussion in 'General' started by baconologist, May 14, 2015.

  1. baconologist

    baconologist Well-Known Member

    I have the idea that this might be a good idea for working with Kiddo at track days.

    Anyone tried it?
  2. beac83

    beac83 Well-Known Member

    Might work.

    Might be a distraction.

    How close to their limit is the kid riding? The closer to their limit, the more it will be a distraction.
  3. baconologist

    baconologist Well-Known Member

    He's still reaLly early on the learning curve.
  4. tophyr

    tophyr "Eh" Member

    If he's that close to his limit, he won't be learning anyway. I'd think it'd be a great idea.
  5. Fencer

    Fencer Well-Known Member

    I have wanted to do this for years at the track. i think it would be of great benefit to me with real time coaching in my ear rather than 5 laps later saying, "you apexed early on turn 3 lap 3"

    And I am , "Um yeah, I'll work on that"

    I have bad habits at some tracks. I think real time in the ear, "don't do X again this lap" right as I am about to do it would help
  6. AndyR1

    AndyR1 Well-Known Member

    "Turn left"
  7. gt#179

    gt#179 Dirt Dork

    I've used them in the past when I was riding with my wife. when we were two up on the track it was nice to talk to her about what I was going to do (hold on, i'm going to pass him on the inside coming out of the turn) so she could be prepared. Once she started riding on her own, it was nice to do SOME coaching when she was riding. Not all the time and I would try not to do any talking when she was in a corner, but if there was a bit of a straight, and she was receptive, I would try to talk to her some more.

    I'm sure each person is different and it might be VERY distracting to have someone talking to you when riding, but from a lot of two up riding, and talking, she enjoyed the instant feedback as long as it wasn't all the time. :)
  8. used2Bfast

    used2Bfast Still healing

    Maybe they're better now. Back yrs ago(late 80s) we tried to use some FM headsets during practice. Between the engine, wind noise, etc, I couldn't hear jack chit.
  9. Fencer

    Fencer Well-Known Member

    they are much better
  10. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    Yep, way way better.
  11. khill

    khill Well-Known Member

    I have access to pretty much any tool I want for coaching.....video, car driving, data, bike to bike comm, etc and video wins every time. I have worked with probably over a thousand riders over the years and comm would work of for maybe half a dozen of those. Comm would be the last on the list by a country mile.....

  12. leviathan

    leviathan Well-Known Member

    Wife and I used Cardosystems starting back in 2009. Me on my bike. Her on hers. Track. We loved it.
  13. TLR67

    TLR67 Well-Known Member

    1 on 1 before during and after sessions would be better IMO..then add Video so he or she can see what's going on rather than hearing someone in their ear. I couldn't imagine someone in my ear on any track... Sitting in a car is one thing but riding a bike is another..
  14. baconologist

    baconologist Well-Known Member

  15. blkduc

    blkduc no time for jibba jabba

    Doug Polen does this for 1-1 training. The people that I've talked to that have trained with him said it was very effective. But, that is a world champion racer following and talking to you. I don't think just anyone could pull it off.
  16. BigBird

    BigBird blah

    khill is one of the best instructors out there. He does this all day long, I'll take his word that comm is not a great tool.
  17. khill

    khill Well-Known Member

    Funny story...I just worked at AHRMA at Sonoma with the guy that bankrolled his deal. He wanted to use the comm deal and we did...for the first session...once we did video review with me, the comm system came off. His words were, "video review with you is 100x more effective."

  18. Spitz

    Spitz Well-Known Member

    Seeing it third person probably helps a lot too. You can think you're doing something all day until you see it in a different perspective.
  19. FZ1guy

    FZ1guy Hey...watch this

    Video is definitely best when teaching style. I used the intercom when teaching my boys how to ride and it was a real help.
  20. blkduc

    blkduc no time for jibba jabba

    Interesting...good to hear. I've never tried it myself, I talked to Polen about it and of course he pumped it up. I thought about trying it with students but never did. It does seem that there would be just way too much going on for a rider to process, and keeping the brain calm is key.

    I spoke with people who were coached by Polen and they gave good reviews but that is the extent of my knowledge of it.

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