Air India setting records

Would your 73 suddenly turn off course if you were incapacitated, or would it continue to the destination?

 

Why are these fuel cutoff switches able to be turned off in mid-flight? If they're electrical, seems like there would be logic software that would prohibit it under certain circumstances? Guessing in the case of an engine fire, engine malfunction or bird strike? If that's the case, software should be able to prevent cutoff if engines are healthy, plus the software knows that the plane is in takeoff mode.

 

So adding software is the solution? I hear Boeing is hiring...

 

I'm sure the latest Grok can cover all contingencies. Just remove pilots altogether...

 

When that happens, they usually make sure it's not survivable. There are "better" times to accomplish that than take off, unless there was someone in that medical school dorm that they intended to take with them.

What does that have to do with the crash?

 

I was thinking the same thing. After all, the US is also a minority country with lots of problems…


Plenty of of suicidal crashes, Silk Air, Eurowings, Egypt Air, MH 370

 

Never flown an airplane, but it seems to me that proximity to the ground would be a plus if you're trying to self-delete and there's another qualified pilot 2 feet away. At 37000 feet, the other guy has a lot of time to catch the plane if you do something stoopid. According to this post with the time line there was 23 seconds from cutoff to "MAYDAY", and another 6 to rapid unscheduled disassembly.

 

You are correct in that it is probably be easier to execute close to the ground when lots of things are happening, but if you want to be certain that the impact will not be survivable, you usually wait for more altitude and speed. And as a matter of fact, someone walked out of this one.

 

Current events in the middle east, does affect Muslims in other countries like India.

 

Casting aside for a minute the fact that there is absolutely nothing in the story so far that supports that theory, you probably would have heard two words on the audio recording and they would not have been "I didn't do it."

 

Sitting in the front of the plane, going 200+ miles an hour.

Seems like surviving that is pretty low probability.

But we'd be trying to apply logic to an inherently illogical decision making process if self-forever-sleep was the root cause. There is no rational, logical path by which a healthy, sane person arrives there. Doing it in a way that kills hundreds of people that you don't even know is irrational cubed.

Hell, steal a damn empty plane and crash into Mount Everest if that's what you want to do. There's no surviving that, and what an epic funeral!

 

It was 99.6% effective at unaliving the assembled souls on that plane.

A fucking rounding error.

 

You pointed out the fact that they try to take people with them. That would imply making sure everyone on board will be history.

Aviation history is full of crashes on take off or landing with a lot of people walking out. For me, that puts suicide pretty low on the list of theories.

If you're trying to kill people, there are more effective times to do it. The fact that taking people with them is irrational isn't mutually exclusive from trying to produce the most effective result.

p.s. One more thing: if you were trying to make absolutely sure that the people sitting in the cockpit don't survive, I think that your natural instinct would be to push the nose down, not to put the airplane in a stalled, nose-up attitude.

 

Possibly the other pilot fighting him?

I'm just a non-pilot throwing spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks. The only two people that know what actually happened in that cockpit ain't talking. I kinda thought that the black boxes told EVERYTHING that was done to each and every knob, button, switch, and stick in the cockpit at all times.

However, it sounds like throwing those two switches is damn near impossible to do without specific intent. Then to say you didn't do it is weird. Maybe it means you actually did do it on accident, maybe it means you're trying to throw the other pilot off and cost him the precious few seconds during which he *might* could have saved the plane.

I wasn't specifically implying that the guy was actively trying to kill a lot of people along with himself, but more so that he was selecting a self-termination route that involved a whole lot of other people.

 

With relatively tall buildings off the end of the runway, I would think if suicide was the goal, full bore balls to the wall throttle into the side of one would be the more impactful than powering down and turning the thing into a glider. Does seem odd that both were manually shut down just after takeoff, now knowing that you need to intentionally lift the lever to do it and bumping it isn't enough.
Guess we'll wait for the rest of the details, if they're able to uncover anything further.

 

Kinda hard to commit suicide when you have someone sitting next to you not onboard with your idea. You have to pick your opportunity when it arises. Takeoff is busy, so might be a good time to cut the fuel. All you need is 4-5 seconds of no fuel and no time to re-start the engines to do the job.

 

With the little that we know, what makes the most sense to me.

I have put toothpaste in the fridge while perfectly sober and didn't know until I looked for it in the bathroom. Shit happens.

I think that pilots who do that are actually trying to take people with them. Otherwise, Why not just jump off the tallest structure at the airport?

 

You can probably roll inverted and put it in a nose dive 3 minutes after takeoff and not leave the other pilot any chance to save that. Passenger 11A isn't walking out of that.

 

Do we know if the Captain or if the co-pilot hit the cutoff switches? If the co-pilot was in control, the captain is not gonna let him roll or dive the plane. He'd be on to that in .5 seconds.

Cutting the fuel would create several seconds of confusion.