V6 HW through V8 HW Points...

Bahhaahhaa.
I'm sure we will all be waiting for you to drop by our pits and have a chat with us vintage guys.
As we all usually part close to each other.
So you won't have to go far.
Bahhaahhaa.

Steven Isenhower #52

 

Just messing with you after the last reply.
Lol.
I don't know how to make those cute things you make.

Steven Isenhower #52

 

749/999 were introduced for 2003 model year, they should be legal now as well.

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Don't know if it matter or not. But I would be willing to try the best of 4 like the rest of the vintage classes. If that works for everyone else.

 

Just throwing it out there. Whatever you decide at this point. Like i said if you want to so the sportsman thing....that is fine too.

 

I think the 4 race thing for all vintage is the way to go. I think most of the guys who want a national championship will race more than two weekends but will not always race 6 weekends. The gnf will be a much better turnout if you have 6 guys gunning for a championship instead of just two.

 

Mongo the collection and opportunity to collect them is not issue.
The issue is by only counting 6 best it narrows how many can earn enough points in different regions.
Case in point is me last yr.
I was only 1 on grid and I was guaranteed 20 points just by finishing a race.
If you do not show up at GNF with 120 points aka maximum points and you have at most 3 guys who have done this then you may as well stay home.
What about everyone else?
You have to win 6 races throughout the yr.
While it can be done and has been done.
You still have riders in regions who show up and get maximum points cause they are only one on grid.
But you have regions who have guys trading wins and won't have 6 wins throughout the yr.
So in effect you have to go to a region or race that no one else goes to just so you can collect the points so you can have a chance at GNF.
So this rule favors a region with 1 person on grid.
Now everyone will say that the GNF pays double points.
But given the caliber of riders I'd rather not bank that they will blowup or crash and also the low numbers on grid won't help someone 10 points down going in the GNF race.
I think we need 6 races to make championship same as always.
But you throw only counting best of 6 and it limits how you can earn points and where.
You will have to run from competition to earn points.
Norman knew he had to beat me to take points and he did.
That in effect took money from Wera.
Cause I stopped racing when I didn't get enough points make a run at GNF.
And it also stops guys from buying V7 bikes and racing cause they will be in our region.
What you have done is killed us from racing each other cause we have to win only to get enough points to run for National title at GNF.
A 2nd place is same as last place unless you just want a regional title.

Steven Isenhower #52

 

And again you keep saying I don't want to race more!
Goes to show just how much you read what I'm saying.
I'm not complaining about JT winning at all. Something you fail to see this.
I'm telling you point blank you are killing this class with counting 6 best.
It makes no difference how far I drive.
What does make a difference is if I am unable to win 6 races or I get more than two 2nd place finishes I should just stay home after that.
Cause with the riders we have you cannot show up at GNF without 120 points.
I mean last I checked you lost entry fees by me not coming to the races.
2nd place is same as last with the points system you have.
It also stopped new riders from going into vintage.
Somehow you seem to think I want it so I can win.
You did that with a Nola region.
And whoops I won. Now bad luck helped me out.
All I have ever wanted was the opportunity to be equal on points at GNF.
That's it.
If you have a few bad races you have no way to make points up.
See what's funny is I'm a paying customer and you are loosing money by points system.

So you can help kill vintage or you can help it grow.
So be an asshole to me all you like.
I can take it.
I honestly think if you would actually sit down and talk I can show you exactly what all comes into play here.
But you don't want to do that.
So who looses here then?
Won't be me. I can always find a place to race or retire again.
Have a great day.

Steven Isenhower #52

 

I'm in the nc region, and as it sits there are 5 races at grattan and 2 at vmd and 1 at beaver. I don't plan on going to grattan 3 times, but that's just me. So I don't see my self at the gnf for next year. I haven't really had a problem with the points for the past 6 years but it will be tuff this year with nc schedule. A lot of us vintage guys race for fun, only a few run the full season, and I like others struggle to make 6 rounds let alone the gnf. I was just giving some input on adding to the grid for the gnf

 

Can I bump up a BSA to V6 - V8? This is far too entertaining to simply standby and observe.

Cheers,

Dave

 

Well then you either don't care about vintage or you just won't listen to someone who actually pays to race view.
Guess if it comes from me it's an insult to listen to my ideals. Lol.
Let's ask how we can get more riders on grid?
Let's ask what incentive racers have to keep racing.
Now let's look at racers just wanting to race for the fun of it.
Seriously you think JT shows up at GNF for fun?
Or Norman? Well sir you where not paying attention to the hacking going on.
Lol. They want to Win.
And badly I may add.
So do I.
Or we would not do what we are doing.
But you make the rules and I will show up and use them to my advantage.
Later.

Steven Isenhower #52

 

I don't really know why I'm replying to this, but here it goes. In the Southeast region we have 2 Doubles, so that would be 4 if you could win. Then you would have to go to 2 more weekends to get your 6 if you could win. So that being said, now you have one guy with max points if he wins all 6. So let's say he stops racing until the GNF. So another guy steps up and bangs out 5 wins because the other guy is out of the picture and that is all the race weekends available to the guy in the Southeast region. Unless he goes out of region to get another win to get max points for the GNF. So really you only have one guy from the Southeast going to the GNF with max points. Now you have another guy in another region with only himself he gets 6 wins with no competition and goes to the GNF with max points. And yes I know there are 1,000 different ways that can turn out from there. But I think the point trying to be made is there is only a couple of people in it at the GNF. And by the way there is only 10 points earning opportunities in your example, not 12. So if you went to a best of 4 race like the other vintage classes, in theory you may end up with more people with max points at the GNF. And then you say well how is that different from the sportsman winner takes all? My opinion on that is when the GNF was by invitation only, you earned your way there to run for the winner takes all championship. Now that it is run one race and your in, you don't earn your way there. And I have heard all the reasons why it is that way now and I am not debating the fact that it may be a necessity for it to be that way now. Do I think it gives validity to the series and the championship that you can run one race and you are in the GNF, NO. So do as you will, that is just my take on it. I can make it work for me any way you want to do it. Best of 6? Best of 4? Sportsman winner take all? Just would like to know so I can start planning.