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World Health Organization healthcare ranking

Discussion in 'The Dungeon' started by twg, Oct 25, 2003.

  1. thane

    thane Well-Known Member

    I'd like to answer your criticism/question, peekay. First thought that comes to mind is buying power. If everyone pays a relatively small amount towards healthcare or defense for that matter, it makes it cheaper for me to have access to healthcare that I don't use, or Hillary to get her next pap smear. However, I'm not against "fixing and expanding programs like Medicaid" as a solution.

    Taking your argument and running with it just for fun, I shouldn't have to give money to the defense department. I've been against the elective war in Iraq from day one. I only want to pay for defense that I can use.

    As for left-wing wealth distribution notions, yeah I've harbored a few. It's true, I don't think that anyone's creativity, hard work, luck, access, or any other quality makes them worth millions of times more than anyone else. Nor do I think that anyone should choose to hoard wealth. Therefore, I will always have a soft spot for taking from the rich and giving to the poor.

    Having said that, I'm now prepared to be attacked by indignant right-wingers.

    thane
     
  2. Dave K

    Dave K DaveK über alles!

    Not from this one. :D

    I believe affordable health care is too big of an issue to be partisan about.

    Now on the Iraqi issue.... Nah, I'm too tired right now. :D
     
  3. mad brad

    mad brad Guest

    comfort in nice fluffy dreams.......... so cute.

    hope your family drops dead from terrorism too..... or better yet, has to wait to get treated.
     
  4. Yamaha Fan

    Yamaha Fan Well-Known Member

    You need to move further north into the Socialist bosom you covet. Your statements show just how little you understand about our country and the very freedoms it provides. Please apply for a work permit and Visa to one of the few remaining communist country’s
     
  5. Shyster d'Oil

    Shyster d'Oil Gerard Frommage

    Spoken like a true anti-free speech advocate. Agree with Yam Fan or you are a Commie and should shut up and get out!

    This kind of anti-democratic sentiment is what made our country redneck and proud!!:clap: :clap:

    Rodger
     
  6. WeaselBob

    WeaselBob Well-Known Member

    American Quality Healthcare?

    a good example of the qaulity care Americans receive???

    check this
     
  7. mad brad

    mad brad Guest

    yes, and if you preach reality to a dreamer, you are a redneck.

    mmkay. call me a redneck over a dreamer with truth deficit disorder.
     
  8. mad brad

    mad brad Guest

    Re: American Quality Healthcare?

    good one bob. that's my company. now get to telling me the data on that device. can't wait to bust your ass on this one. remember, you are talking to someone who HAS the data. get going.

    that article's first five words are not even true. so the rest is a wash. guidant covered up nothing. EVT did.
     
  9. ysr612

    ysr612 Well-Known Member

    isn't that the same site that was trying to link boob si to joint problems.
     
  10. mad brad

    mad brad Guest

    :confused:
     
  11. Yamaha Fan

    Yamaha Fan Well-Known Member

    YOUR A F*&^$ING MORON,

    Read what he wrote, seize personal property and wealth “no one could have earned that much money” that is PURE socialism he declared it plain and simple. It is not that I don't agree with him...

    Your a judgmental racist! it is your ilk that is destroying the very fabric of this country
     
  12. Shyster d'Oil

    Shyster d'Oil Gerard Frommage

    i rarely have a problem with someone expressing their views, even you Brad!;)

    Its just that the old "love it or leave it" shit is too stupid to take.

    I enjoy a good fight, but I think that it is pure cowardice to claim your opponent is a commie and tell them to leave the country b/c they don't agree. Didn't that go out in the '60s???;)

    And for those of you who don't know, although Brad sells implants, they are not the type that are installed in male or female erogenous (sp?) zones!!

    Rodger
     
  13. Shyster d'Oil

    Shyster d'Oil Gerard Frommage

    I know you are but what am I??????

    Please decaffinate and get back to me with something sensible. And try to engage in discourse with your political opponents - don't tell them to get out - its just so, so. . . 50s-ish.

    :D :D

    :Poke: :Poke:
     
  14. ysr612

    ysr612 Well-Known Member

    several years ago there was this weird buch of people that were trying to link boob Si gel implants to Lupus and a buch of joint problems. They got some voodoo court experts (that would tell a jury you were dead if the price was right). The FDA even pulled aproval to help them, of course about half a year ago FDA "oops we were wrong for not believing all the peer review papers and Si gel is better then saline" (no brainer).

    the above group was one of the leaders of the bad guys if I remeber right.
     
  15. Yamaha Fan

    Yamaha Fan Well-Known Member

    LOL you lecture me on protocol on here? You that talks about the name of your “unit”, now it is important to “try to engage in discourse with your political opponents”

    The rise in socialist attitudes in the country with regard to “fixing” our problems is a valid issue. Pointing this out is part of my right to the free speech you so ardently champion I guess that only applies to you and your views, you are quick to assail me as a “redneck” or far right winger you don’t have a clue…..


    As I said to another on here, you have your head so far up your ass when you open your mouth I can see you smile twice!


    You’re a self important overeducated leach sucking on the very blood of this great country….
     
  16. ysr612

    ysr612 Well-Known Member

    no such thing as overeducated miseducated maybe.
     
  17. Shyster d'Oil

    Shyster d'Oil Gerard Frommage

    Dear wiper of bottoms:

    I have no problem with your anti-socialist veiws. You are free to say what you want, even in as flippant and juvenile way as I do.;)

    Your "protocol" was "love it or leave it" - if that is not destructive of a free exchange of ideas and democracy I don't know what is!!

    Welcome to the 1950s, greaser.

    Rodger

    PS: Your Mama.
     
  18. mtk

    mtk All-Pro Bike Crasher

    When someone's "opinion" is that the state should steal everyone's money over some bogus level that some wanker thinks is "too much," I think telling them to get the hell out is a perfectly valid answer. As is, "over my dead body."

    Want to start a shooting revolution in this country? Enact that policy.
     
  19. mad brad

    mad brad Guest


    figures. everything in that article is wrong or sensationlized.

    still waiting on yamablob's data.
     
  20. In Your Corner

    In Your Corner Dungeonesque Crab AI Version

    One of the big problems you encounter when you start handing out unearned benefits is that human nature kicks in and you attract people who don't care to pay their way. That's why states like Massachusetts that see the need for a program to help everyone see an influx of people looking to take advantage of those programs. One out of every six people in Mass is on Medicaid. That's ridiculous, this program was instituted as a safety net.
    I once worked as a restaurant manager in a city in Mass that boasts one of the highest welfare rates in the state. Coincidentally, it also has one of the highest immigrant populations in the state, primarily Hispanic. A good percentage are here illegally. They come because the number of agencies handing out money means free money. Most of my employees came from this pool and I learned a lot from them. I got along with them fine and liked them as individuals, but a lot of their practices and attitudes and even the way they lived were dictated by the availability of free money. They see the US as a rich country and feel it is only fair that they take whatever is made available. They made no bones about explaining this to me, to them, it was just practical. How many people do you know who have or need an alias? A good percentage of my employees had at least one. They explained to me that this was so they can work and still get benefits from different programs, including welfare. One of the growing legit businesses in the city was round-trip van service to and from NYC. This allows people to collect welfare in NYC even though they live in Mass and are collecting there too. Most of these people are not US citizens who were poor and are being given a leg-up, they came to this country precisely because so much was being offered so freely.
    Most are sending money back to other countries to support family there and a good percentage plan on returning to their home countries in the future. I didn't get these facts second-hand from some racist right-winger, they came right from the people engaged in these practices. And these weren't evil, low-life criminals, although many were engaged in practices which were illegal. They were just normal human beings reacting in a typical human fashion. Unfortunately it also perverts their lifestyles and values. For example, many don't marry just because it interferes with their benefits. This is not a normal practice where they come from. They gradually get drawn into all sorts of scams to get money here and there, and it becomes a normal part of life for them. Here is a tragic example of just such a practice which has been popular in the city for a long time.

    The end result is that life in that city has degraded rather than been made better.

    And no, my point here is not that Hispanics are lazy or criminals, my point is that the original intent behind implementing and then expanding these programs was to help the less fortunate and done for noble purposes. The results have not been those intended. The reason is that they ignore human nature. If you stand on a street corner handing out 20 dollar bills to people who look needy, some people will start making themselves look needy to get the money. Helping the truly needy is necessary and noble, but it needs to be done within reason, which seems to be a scarce commodity in today's political climate.
     

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