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what’s going on in seattle?

Discussion in 'General' started by turbulence, Sep 28, 2019.

  1. turbulence

    turbulence Well-Known Member

  2. bored&stroked

    bored&stroked Disclaimer: Can't spell

    VW and Ducati's, what a wonderfully terrible relationship. Both things I want nothing to do with!
     
  3. turbulence

    turbulence Well-Known Member


    ducati’s rock.
     
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  4. Big T

    Big T Well-Known Member

    Hmm, were these financed Ducatis sitting on the showroom floors (I read that lots of bikes were being loaded up after the doors closed), or lots of defaulted sales?
     
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  5. 418

    418 Expert #59

    Just another jackass that thought the powersports business was all roses and unicorns.
     
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  6. BigBird

    BigBird blah

    :(
     
  7. pscook

    pscook Well-Known Member

    I know Howard, and I like Howard. But I know nothing about his businesses or his acumen with those businesses. I'm not surprised by this as his rise to dominance appeared to be rather quick after he first picked up Ducati of Seattle. His empire grew pretty quickly, and now it appears that it grew due to financing instead of sales.

    Howard entered the scene like lots of other Microsofties, lots of cash and flash, but he's one of the few who stuck it out. He brought fancy new bikes to the track and raced them, hard. He raced AMA a couple of times (I believe he qualified on 848's in supersport?), but he was always a part of the scene with WMRRA and never put on the "Ducati airs" in the pits. Really good guy with gasoline in his veins.

    Late edit: 20th place at Miller in 2011 on an 848 in Supersport:
    https://results.amasupercross.com/xml/rr/events/R1115/ssq2ovr.pdf
     
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  8. 418

    418 Expert #59

    I think we got more than meets the eye here.

    The lawsuit claims that Crow and his companies failed to make some payments on the bike loans and have refused to voluntarily surrender the bikes, which served as collateral for the loans. The suit also contends that Crow “is out of the country, with no definitive timeline for his return.”

    https://www.seattletimes.com/busine...-firms-owed-millions-of-dollars-on-new-bikes/
     
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  9. RGV 500

    RGV 500 OLD, but still FAST

    I know several people who have bikes there or who's friends have bikes there and this is going to get worse before it gets better......if it gets better.
     
  10. BSA43

    BSA43 Well-Known Member

    I read on another m/c forum that several people paid cash for bikes and the dealerships closed before they could pick them up a week or so later.
     
  11. Knotcher

    Knotcher Well-Known Member

    Most of the microsoft employees I know that race, which is all of them from 2012 on, have been consistent club members. I don’t recall much flash by more than 1 or 2.
     
  12. pscook

    pscook Well-Known Member

    I'm thinking of the 2000 and up 'Softies, not much experience with the second wave. I guess I meant that the earlier ones that I was exposed to were a touch snooty to us lowly "one bike at a time" racers, or non-SV650 with all of the trimmings.

    Or, my memories are hazy because the whole scene was new to me, and my perception of "cash and flash" is different than others. Regardless, Howard was nice to me, and it's unfortunate that this is coming up like this. I do know that I was 50/50 on buying one of their Altas that had a really great price, almost in my range. I would have had to finance a bit of it, but if I didn't have two other dirt bikes that I never ride, I would have bought one.
     
  13. Knotcher

    Knotcher Well-Known Member

    Seems odd that someone would get that leveraged with that much exposure based on local market share.
     
  14. jbammin

    jbammin Well-Known Member

  15. ClemsonsR6

    ClemsonsR6 Well-Known Member

  16. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    Impressive effort by the employees to take care of the customers. Overall though he wasn't paying for his floorplan stuff, not all that abnormal sadly.
     
  17. RRP

    RRP Kinda Superbikey

    That’s what I thought too.

    Taking the high road and finishing up pending sales and orders instead of just walking takes a lot of character.
     
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  18. eggfooyoung

    eggfooyoung You no eat more!

    Is this a common thing? Pay in full prior to possession?
     
  19. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    Yep, especially with Ducatis where the buyer wants the Termis and carbon bits put on before they take delivery.
     
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  20. eggfooyoung

    eggfooyoung You no eat more!

    Ah. Well I'm broke and handy, so I'd be putting that stuff on myself. Plus, I like my shit when I pay for it.
     

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