Yeah, I thought they sucked too for awhile! But I sold two race bikes within a week of posting them both! Best $19.98 I spent in a long time!:up: I'm going to eat some of that humble pie now and man up to say I criticized and judged the classifieds way too early without using them! Wera classifieds work, eliminate a very large percentage of crooks, and help everyone in the long run of this sport!!:up: