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Was anyone else long on Bitcoin Cash before today?

Discussion in 'General' started by Knotcher, Nov 12, 2017.

  1. Knotcher

    Knotcher Well-Known Member

    I am. One of my tendencies for complex topics is to proceed in very small increments, and clarify terminology.

    To answer your question: No, dumb criminals of all stripes frequently do not make use of even basic infosec practices. Mediocre criminals, frustrate law enforcement but are eventually caught with focused efforts that usually find a break outside the technical domain.

    Smart criminals basically evade identification and are at best detected and deterred.

    Good infosec and cryptographic practices are achievable and basically unstoppable. This includes people sharing child porn, long before block chain.
     
  2. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    Then what are you arguing with Aaron about? Him saying pedophiles prefer it and you think they prefer something else? I think he was talking about how they pay which won't be through cryptography.
     
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  3. Knotcher

    Knotcher Well-Known Member

    The article and instance being discussed are not about payment. It is about index distribution and additionally there is a topic to discuss about embedding data in a chain itself.
     
  4. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    Oh good lord. Take it to the dungeon if you want to continue.
     
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  5. Knotcher

    Knotcher Well-Known Member

    Why dungeon?

    I'm just saying that baddies have what they need to do what was discussed in the article with or without block chain and that cryto in general created LE challenges.

    You assumed it was about payment, it seems (which would change the conversation greatly). Ain't my fault you didn't read gud :D
     
  6. Knotcher

    Knotcher Well-Known Member

    I will say this is a good example of the confusion and complexity in the block chain and cryptography domain. I forget that what may seem obvious may not be and what may be an important distinction to me isn't to others.
     
  7. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    Since you're an expert. Do pedos use crypto currencies or not? Simple yes or no please.
     
  8. Knotcher

    Knotcher Well-Known Member

    I don't know that payment is a thing for that so my answer is "I don't know".

    Do you know that they do?
     
    Last edited: Mar 22, 2018
  9. Knotcher

    Knotcher Well-Known Member

    When I say "block chain" do you define that as equivalent to "crypto currency/payment"? I am making a distinction. So far, I haven't seen any evidence of payment for kid porn being a common practice, regardless of cryptocurrency or paypal, but I wouldn't know much as I do not have experience in financial crimes.

    What I have seen, are dozens of different examples of criminals using tech in extremely creative ways to avoid identification. As you can imagine, many people at companies like Microsoft work on techniques to find illegal content like that and eliminate it and/or work with LE on prosecution/investigation.

    Some of the techniques are cutting edge and really creative, because some of the criminals are very, very clever. I guarantee some are never found out.
     
  10. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    Doesn't matter what I know. Your response was to Aaron saying pedos have been using crypto currency since day one. You. Your response. You started to argue with him by saying "You mean cryptography. He's not right, he's focused on the wrong item.

    Governments hate civilians having cryptography. Maybe we should just shut down the internet. That would curb child porn, too."

    He didn't mean cryptography. You are now wandering all over talking about all sorts of things yet you say you're specific. Aaron specifically talking about crypto currencies.
     
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  11. DucatiBomber

    DucatiBomber DJ Double A

  12. Knotcher

    Knotcher Well-Known Member

    Where is the evidence/article about pedos using cryptocurrencies? The article was about block chain, the comment about "great the government will want to ban it" was about the article. My view is that Aaron used "cryptocurrencies" interchangeably with "block chains".

    Maybe he didn't. Maybe he has information that they are being used for payment, but that isn't what the article was about. That also, isn't what I have been talking about.
     
  13. DucatiBomber

    DucatiBomber DJ Double A

    I just posted an article above.

    Ride safe,
    AAron
     
  14. Knotcher

    Knotcher Well-Known Member

    Cool. Reading.
     
  15. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    And yet again - what does that have to do with anything? He said something, you said he was wrong.

    Go back and look at where you jumped in - he was responding to a post specifically about crypto currencies. He was talking about crypto currencies. His post was not about the article or block chains or anything else - yet his post is what you said is wrong. So it's on you, how was he wrong? Have pedos not been using crypto currencies?
     
  16. Knotcher

    Knotcher Well-Known Member

    Yeah, maybe he isn't wrong. I'll need to read the articles and backing studies.

    As I said, if we are talking about block chain then things are vastly different. What I should have said is that crypto currencies are only a tiny portion of the overall challenge cryptography presents to LE.

    I knee jerked as there is more misinformation about bc/cc than there is good information and I have experience with LE asking for ridiculous things during an investigation, related to technology.
     
  17. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    All of that is great and totally different things than pedos using crypto currencies... :crackup:

    Just because he said they use crypto currency doesn't mean they don't use everything else you mention. It doesn't mean anything other than what he said really.
     
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  18. Knotcher

    Knotcher Well-Known Member

    I agree. (that was kinda my point)

    I got caught in the same confusion I called out later. Even the article mentions somewhat confuses the topic.
     
  19. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    Okay so now we're all on the same page do we start talking about beer or pie?
     
  20. HPPT

    HPPT !!!

    Or Jim.
     

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