Trump impeachment

Discussion in 'The Dungeon' started by gixxerreese, Sep 24, 2019.

  1. brex

    brex Well-Known Member

    The current bill as written in Utah would require signatures (from verified legal, registered Utah voters) of 25% of the total number (at time of petition) of legal, registered Utah voters.
    That would kick off a special election process where the voters could elect to keep or replace the senator.
    Those same voters could vote for the same person.
     
  2. Handicapped Racer

    Handicapped Racer Well-Known Member

    Lol I think you may want to check those numbers again because in 2018 Mittens garnered 665.215 votes not sure where you're getting the 240k from because that's not being shown on any voter reporting page I've looked at, but I could be wrong... Care to provide a link.... I'll sit down while I wait for your link. Should I pull you up a chair?

    https://www.cnn.com/election/2018/results/utah
    https://www.politico.com/election-results/2018/utah/senate/
    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...CBEB59848130103D2A&gwt=pay&assetType=REGIWALL
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/election-results/utah/

    Also i'll state that I did not look at the proposed law I looked at the states with the current recall laws and picked the highest percentage. Also I don't think one should be able to recall someone when they had no part in the election process that elected them.. They had their chance to speak. No do overs

     
  3. A. Barrister

    A. Barrister Well-Known Member

    In reality, I'd rather your 4 year old would vote in place of you. At least then, there would be the reasonable chance they would vote with logic and concerned thought consistent with their age.
     
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  4. Ducti89

    Ducti89 Ticketing Melka’s dirtbike.....

    And there lies the problem. I hate “X” but cant offer a better solution.

    At the time the previous administration was in office, I could have made suggestions instead of saying, f that guy.

    Dont know if its a generational thing or what.

    If we cant have a serious discourse about a suitable replacement and explain why, this nation is doomed.

    Dont be part of that equation.
     
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  5. Ducti89

    Ducti89 Ticketing Melka’s dirtbike.....

    Beat me to it.
     
  6. Handicapped Racer

    Handicapped Racer Well-Known Member

    The great thing about the right to vote is I can vote for the things that are important to ME and my family, if they don't align with yours.....well you still got a coke and a smile.
     
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  7. Handicapped Racer

    Handicapped Racer Well-Known Member

    You can have that drink too lol. Fact of the matter is you speak for you and yours, and I'll speak for mine. It's that simple,
     
  8. Quicktoy

    Quicktoy Is it Winter yet?

    I know you said you watched the debates. But I have a question. Do you realize every democratic presidential candidate raised their hands on that stage when asked if they’d give illegals here free health care.
    I was left for dead by an illegal after a 70 mph hit and run. When each raised their hands, I honestly don’t know why they can’t be locked up for treason against our country for wanting to do that.
     
  9. Ducti89

    Ducti89 Ticketing Melka’s dirtbike.....

    Thats a cop-out and childish. I expected more from a Marine.
     
  10. R Acree

    R Acree Banned

    My apology. The numbers I had were primary, not general election. I still maintain 25% is not a small number considering that there are times that the total general election total participation is considerably under that number. If that threshold is met, the vote is placed on the ballot so it isn't a small percentage changing a vote.
     
  11. Handicapped Racer

    Handicapped Racer Well-Known Member

    Let me clarify, I started watching and then I just couldn't. The first one was when the tall dude from Texas, I can't remember the question he was asked, but as I just stared with my mouth open I was thinking are you actually going to answer the question. He just rambled on,

    I listen for a few rounds but none of the questions seemed important to me, specially when I look at.my daughter.

    I'm 51 so for me other than me loosing my shop I'm straight financially but I worry about what will the world be for my daughter.

    I have an issue with people telling her what she can and can't do with her own body.

    I worry about her interactions with police, I worry about her being able to defend her self in what ever form she chooses to. I worry about he being able to get a proper education and furthering it if she so chooses to.

    I see these candidates vying for the approval of the most extreme block of voters. I'm all for people coming here to obtain a better life, but if this is a land of laws there needs to be some type of process and i think screening to let people in. Be.pissed all you but Trump is Potus.... he won, so it's his job. I think both side need to sit down and calmly come to a path.

    But just like it is here, people can't express their views without someone making a smart.un-called for comment. Cause in a normal setting people would tend to get up and leave the discussion.
     
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  12. Quicktoy

    Quicktoy Is it Winter yet?

    Correct. And that’s where you and I got off on the wrong foot and got heated. I’m glad we have stepped back and can just discuss now. I’m not going to try and get a rise anymore I’m going to ask honest questions and give my honest feedback and answers.
    That being said, everything you just talked about makes me wonder how you can’t want Trump to be president for your daughters future. He’s not trying to pander to all of these small groups. And he’s trying to give every kid an option like school choice. As far as a woman’s choice over her body. I agree absolutely but I’m also against late term abortion. Wasn’t the governor of Virginia good with a baby being aborted on the day it’s supposed to be delivered? How is that good for anyone besides someone needing some stem cells? He’s created more new jobs and raised average incomes for all races. He’s lifted more people out of poverty than anyone before. I understand he has flaws. When I look in the mirror, I have many. We all do. But those flaws are what make him who he is and what’s making his promises get done. We elected a bull in a china shop and we are watching him smash it apart purposely.
     
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  13. Handicapped Racer

    Handicapped Racer Well-Known Member

    Well I was.responding to your comment but you decided to drop your second comment and here we are
     
  14. Ducti89

    Ducti89 Ticketing Melka’s dirtbike.....

    Fair enough. I apologize for coming across as a dick.

    Can you reply to my first comment then?
     
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  15. Handicapped Racer

    Handicapped Racer Well-Known Member

    He's is my initial issue with Trump. Research that I did in College and the way he conducted his business that was one. You got the work done and was happy with the work, pay the person end of story.

    His dealings with the Casinos in Nj where my Aunt and Uncle worked he did some racist shit. people can argue different be the stories were consistent with his fine levied on his company.
    The trolling and the Lying. the Lying is a big thing for me.
    The whole birth certificate thing. Remember the team he sent down and the "You have no idea the stuff they've found" Ok what was it then you made a big show of it.. .... but nothing more after that
    The Golfing issue. If you have an issue with what someone else is doing, that's fine you do you, that is your opinion, it's your view. but then when you get into that very same position why is it now ok for you to do the very same thing you were just railing against and do so at a higher rate.

    Trump say's he's about America first, and wanting Companies to bring their manufacturing back into the US. Fine, more money and jobs for US citizens but he's only wanted that for everyone else, his products are still made out of country, he own property in the US how about lead by example. The same countries other US based Co's are having their items manufactured at.
    Don't give me the do as I say not as I do.

    The false im not taking a pay check. but you're just going to claim it as a donation and you're making hand over fist with your cronies staying at your hotel the RNC holding events at you place of business, and so on and so forth. I think he's in this for the money and those who gain from it do so out of coincidence.

    And say what you want he did that shit he was just acquitted of and many don't care. I would rather you just said so... insteadd of making excuses you know if it were any other situation you'd be like gtfoh

    Don't talk about illegal immigrants taking US Jobs when you yourself employ those very same immigrants, and when it comes out that you are, you play dumb about it. Court records show you know you were employing them, settlement records show you knew you employed them.

    Don't stand on national TV and say hey if you send me a bill on lowering medication cost and i'll sign it when it's sitting on Mitch's desk.

    Don't stand on national Tv and say I care about your health care and the protection of ones with possible Pre existing conditions, when your Doj has switched gears and is actively in court wanting that to be struck down.

    Don't stand in court and argue that the court should not have the power to enforce legally issued oversite subpoenas and when asked what options are avail to congress then you say Impeachment but then scream it's a hoax and unconstitutional.

    That's like your situation, you were left for dead by an illegal and there were witnesses to the event but they had not been located yet. When this dude get drug into court and they says well you didn't find him in time so he cant tell the court what they saw...… You would be furious.

    Be honest about your shit, don't say one thing and be behind the scenes doing something else.

    Don't go on national Tv and claim you were handed a shit economy and high unemployment when in fact you weren't. I would have no issue with stating he's brought certain Jobs back that Obama said wouldn't return but in the same breath certain jobs they've tried to bring back have not been sustainable. The right railed about the economy, spending and fake unemployment number but those number became True at 12:01 the day he was sworn in and he took credit for them and the stock market rise less than a month of taking office and he had done absolutely nothing to affect either one. His 2018 budget was Obama's laid out budget, yet he took credit for it. Give credit where credit is due. I think I saw you own a pawn shop and are a firearms instructor. If I were to win a shooting championship and you were the one to teach me. I would be the first to say Shit don't congratulate me Scott Quick is the one you need to go see. I wouldn't stand there and be like. Aw well thank you it's been a long road to get here, I've been shooting for a while and just honed my skills. If were watching that on tv id be screaming.... you bitch ass you learned that shit from me. Now the rest of the career is on you but don't fake like you went given the tools to succeed. Give props where props is Due. that's a character thing for you all here.

    I've been a member on this board since 2001. this is one of the smartest group of people I've ever engaged with, You couldn't pull shit over your eyes when issue came up. When people need to be found and called out. But with this dude. Some of the shit you all make excuses for im literally blown about

    Don't rail against science and then go on Tv and then thank the advances made in science, people who heard that same claim initially from you heard it Tuesday.

    As for late term abortions i'm not a Dr but nothing in VA's bill says anything about aborting a baby the day it was to be delivered. I've read the text of the law and I challenge you to watch that interview and tell me where he said that he was good with it. the current law in Va is three Dr are required for this procedure and they wanted to change the law to that persons physician not some strangers that have no history of the patient. Also it removed the invasive 2nd ultrasound the requirement of having to sit them and listen to them giving them detailed information on the fetus to shame them into changing their mind. I would think that process is hard enough at it is with out that added pressure. But also the work in taking care of a special needs kid who will have no quality of life. I always see conservative talking about protecting the unborn but many seem to go ghost after that little on is born. Ralph Northam Video below


    I keep saying if you lie all the time about things big and small eventually something huge will arise and you will need to be believed and im just gonna not believe you.

    I can go on if you wish
     
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  16. Handicapped Racer

    Handicapped Racer Well-Known Member

    I would be ok with Trump if he change some of his ways.
    The Economy is still good, from the reporting is better than it was under obama's
    he was able to bring back certain jobs they say he wouldn't be able to.
    Fix the Healthcare system we have one, fit it don't dump it.
    But that wasn't your question. At this point i'm none of the above i think for this country to get back to owning itself.

    I think the first issue is people think they know how to be president before being president and they are not both the same.

    Free shit isn't the solution
    Taxing the fuck out of people isn't the solution
    wasting the tax payers money isnt the solution.
    Don't require me to cover 75% of your healthcare and then tell me I shouldn't have access to the same options you do.
    Shauna and i talk about the options all the time. I think College should be affordable. i shouldn't have to take out 500k for a Degree and then cant find a job in my field. But i also don't think you should expect to find a job after getting a degree in liberal arts.

    I get it from both sides. I commend trump on things and im a post sell out trump supporter. I condemn him on things and I'm a pos liberal.

    i honestly don't know. I tolled this section for a good part of last year but i fact checked alot of what's being said and i see merits to what you've brought up.

    You've changed my views on Firearms i still think some of you white folks are crazy but i see many of your points, but why is it that if im not in cadence with all your views I should be tossed out with the trash. I don't get that. We all will not agree on everything, but we both articulate our side maybe we can come to a compromise both side can live with.

    I tend to lash out at people cause they came at me wrong. and I am the same person on line that I am here..... Mongo will confirm that much.
     
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  17. Quicktoy

    Quicktoy Is it Winter yet?

    I’d actually love to sit down one day and go over every point one by one. Many I agree with you on. Many I think we have different stories on what the truth is and we both know it’s somewhere in the middle. I’m not a firearms instructor. I’m just licensed to build NFA toys, but I got your point absolutely on the example. I’d love to sit and respond to each right now but am firing up the shop for the day.
     
  18. Handicapped Racer

    Handicapped Racer Well-Known Member

    I've learned that there is always a middle ground and many times people have the same views just have different ways of getting to the crux of them

    Deal, i'm sure i'll run into somewhere this year
     
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  19. Quicktoy

    Quicktoy Is it Winter yet?

    Absolutely. And I sat back and listened to people like mongo who told me we’d get along in real life and I guarantee we would. We both just get heated over certain items. We both have our own reasons. I get it.
     
  20. Ducti89

    Ducti89 Ticketing Melka’s dirtbike.....

    Ill submit that I think Trump is better than most at being a President because we’ve seen the harm in what career politicians can do and is currently better than what the gop can offer and what the dems can offer.

    Healthcare, its still broken. I agree the insurance companies fucked it over with their lobbying. Allow all companies to compete across state lines for starters. As for pre-existing conditions you mentioned elsewhere, i certain that started prior to Trump and Obama. I want to say that was Bush sr or Clinton when I encountered that nonsense myself. I understand why Obama did he did but that kind of made things worse.

    Ah, college. We have to stop paying these colleges at the rates we do and that means community college if you want the degree. And I understand that businesses want degrees but that doesnt mean you have to invest money at Harvard when you local community college with a decent gpa will suffice.

    Guns; Im really curious as to what I helped change your view on. And dont take this the wrong way; Im glad I did because it’s YOUR right!

    Most of our thinking is really the same with small deviations. I see your plights because afterall, we’re the same people making this country go round and round. Sure we’ll have small deviations of our goals but in the end, they really are just small deviations unless you argue like Dungbeetle. Articulation is key to understanding any view. We are losing that ability and respect in society.
     
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