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The Alvaro Bautista 2019 Win Count

Discussion in 'General' started by ChemGuy, Feb 25, 2019.

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  1. Black89

    Black89 Well-Known Member

  2. ChemGuy

    ChemGuy Harden The F%@# Up!

  3. brex

    brex Well-Known Member

    What part of the Ducati V4 superbike is built around the MotoGP bike and not the production streetbike?
    Sure, Ducati built a streetbike that ustilizes many lessons learned from the MotoGP program. Cool, good for them. That's how a program should work - use the prototype series to learn lessons that you apply to your consumer street-legal business.

    This is just a continuation of Kawasaki being perfectly fine with the rules when they were dominating, but crying crocodile tears when someone else starts kicking their ass.

    So Kawasaki wants a better superbike? Then build a better streetbike. Too bad they have no prototype program that will give them lessons learned.
     
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  4. CB186

    CB186 go f@ck yourself

    Yeah, I read that as kawi complaint that they got out hustled. Too bad there "prototype 4 stroke experience" is a decade old at best. Ducati is swooping their asses(along with everyone else's) fair and square.
     
  5. Dave K

    Dave K DaveK über alles!

  6. Trunxgp1224

    Trunxgp1224 Well-Known Member

  7. ChemGuy

    ChemGuy Harden The F%@# Up!

    Omg.
    Does anyone other than gpone have info? Everything about that site makes my Gen X head hurt.
    The 'articles' have like 10% of the words and space compared to the ads.

    Can someone get @John29 on the case so we can get some info that doesn't look like it was written by a translation bot???
     
  8. 600 dbl are

    600 dbl are Shake Zoola the mic rula

    I didn't read it that way.

    Kawasaki is admitting that Ducati is within the rules. I have no doubts Kawasaki could make more of a monster in a superbike. What I took out of the article was that Ducati built a $40,000 bike. You could almost buy 2 ZX10-rr's for that. I believe that is why he said they need clarification on where the series is going. If it's going to take a $40,000 floor room model to win, what's that going to do to the series?
     
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  9. Trunxgp1224

    Trunxgp1224 Well-Known Member

    The cap has been 40K for quite some time and there have been many one off models that have come in at or near that mark, this is just the first time a rider on one of those bikes ran away like that. Could AR have had similar results on the V4s or whatever the other one is? If the answer is yes then it's not the 40K bike, but the rider on top of it. Again it's not like no one hasn't made 500 units of some one off bike at $40k just to pass the WSBK rules, it's just the first time someone put so much effort into it, so the series isn't going any one direction, the caps are where they've alway been. And if WSBK drops the cap to $30k, who's to say Ducati won't just drop the price and keep racking up wins.
     
  10. Shocker

    Shocker Well-Known Member

    The price cap for a road legal homologation model is €40,000 which has been around since Dorna took over WSBK. It didn't seem to bother anyone until Ducati developed the V4R. Keep in mind, Ducati was racing a 1199R before the V4R which had a price tag of €35,000.

    There has been nothing stopping any of the other manufacturers from building a road legal motorcycle to meet that price cap, they just chose not to.
     
  11. SGVRider

    SGVRider Well-Known Member

    The guy from Kawasaki was hilarious. “Do they want us to build Superbikes or GP bikes.” Appealing to mommy. Sad. Kawasaki was happy to spend truckload if money to win WSBK now they’re angry someone beat them at their own game. Kawasaki thought they could run from GP and have their own private island in WSBK. Now they’re mad that the mean ol’ GP factories won’t leave them be. Don’t like it Kawasaki? Step it up!
     
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  12. Potts N Pans

    Potts N Pans Well-Known Member

    And Ducati is a brand that can charge more and get it...like HD.

    I am sure the Jap bikes could put out a Duc eater with a big price tag, but their customer base won't buy it like Ducati's base will.

    Ducati seems like they are kind of like Ferarri selling cars to fund racing...Honda sells everything to everyone to do everything.

    :beer:
     
  13. Potts N Pans

    Potts N Pans Well-Known Member

    And they have a proven rider that can make the most out of a better bike.
     
  14. 600 dbl are

    600 dbl are Shake Zoola the mic rula

    :stupid:

    That's the main point. How many people in here are going to spend $40K on a Yamaha?

    If Honda wanted to they could build a field destroying SBK. They don't. I guess Ducati figured they can't win motogp so they dumo a metric fuck ton of money in WSBK.
     
  15. CB186

    CB186 go f@ck yourself

    Is it better to over do it or under do it and show up with a backmarker level bike like Honda?
     
  16. Dave K

    Dave K DaveK über alles!

    No they can't. Honda was king of the metric fuckton of costs to the race teams.
    They built the RC30 and if you didn't get the HRC parts you had a gorgeous turd. The RC45 was an ugly turd that needed even more HRC parts (and a rumored lease price higher than an NSR) to not win on. The RC51 was better, it was ugly as a pig shitting corn in the mud but at least you didn't have to spend 6 figures to lose on. We could go back further to their Interceptors, the VR1000R and even their CB750.

    Honda kills with their factory bikes. Their bikes to you are money sucks that make them money. How much money you got to win?

    The GSXR was the bike that brought an affordable bike that could win races to the masses.
     
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  17. tzrider

    tzrider CZrider

    Suzuki for the proletariat!


    Knew it (There was too much denial), DaveK is a closet hippie....
     
  18. Prospect

    Prospect Hayai

    'Toe to the courtesy phone, we have a DaveK for you on line 2.
     
  19. Dave K

    Dave K DaveK über alles!

    Smash fascism, buy a GSXR!
     
  20. 600 dbl are

    600 dbl are Shake Zoola the mic rula

    Kinda like the V4R that needs the factory electronics package?
     

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