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So when does a trackday org really become a race org??

Discussion in 'General' started by CRA_Fizzer, Jul 20, 2018.

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  1. TurboBlew

    TurboBlew Registers Abusers

    Keigwins asked that on the registration form. I listed my policy # as NOYB123456 :D
     
    TurboBlew, Jul 22, 2018
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  2. Gorilla George

    Gorilla George WIN

    There is.

    I can't remember exactly how it is worded, but they (WERA) can black flag you if you are running a pace of 125% of the leaders (meaning you get lapped in less than 4 laps). I don't think I have ever seen it done. I have been in combined races at short tracks like Talladega where we caught lapped traffic within 4 laps (lapped them twice in the race), but I don't think they were black flagged. I think it is up to the official's discretion on how much of a hazard they are creating.

    But I do like how the corner workers would give us a standing yellow flag as we approached them (especially at tracks with blind spots).
     
    Gorilla George, Jul 22, 2018
    #142
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  3. britx303

    britx303 Boomstick Butcher…..

    Yes,we lap a few guys from ahrma that show up to race ccs vintage classes,a few times per sprint. Trust me, I love seeing those bikes out there,but eventually the guys gridding up need to use their heads and realise which event they are better suited for personally, for everyone's benefit. We all want to go home at the end of the weekend intact. If you are bolt upright and jamming the brakes mid corner,every corner,and not holding your line causing guys to nearly asspack you every Daggone time,then it's time to get off the track.
     
    britx303, Jul 22, 2018
    #143
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  4. britx303

    britx303 Boomstick Butcher…..

    yep!! It drives me nuts.
     
    britx303, Jul 22, 2018
    #144
  5. busa99

    busa99 Well-Known Member

    Unlimited class? There was someone out there a couple weeks ago at NJ and the closing speed was dangerous.
     
    busa99, Jul 22, 2018
    #145
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  6. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    Wow. That is beyond fucked up.
     
    Mongo, Jul 22, 2018
    #146
  7. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    We have kept riders Novice who asked to go Expert due to many issues that had nothing to do with laptimes...
     
    Mongo, Jul 22, 2018
    #147
  8. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    Nope, it is merely ONE measure of a riders ability. Not necessarily the ultimate one.
     
    Mongo, Jul 22, 2018
    #148
  9. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    I have no idea as I don't pay attention to what series any racer normally runs. We treat all riders on track the same. If one is going slower it'll depend on the specific situation. A minute slower at Talladega is different than a minute at Road Atlanta for example.
     
    Mongo, Jul 22, 2018
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  10. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    No issue yet.
     
    Mongo, Jul 22, 2018
    #150
  11. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    We ask for medical issues just in case something happens - we have that info handy at the track (in the computer) for medical personnel. A full history is silly. Insurance is useless as people would/will/could just lie.
     
    Mongo, Jul 22, 2018
    #151
  12. drewnabobber

    drewnabobber Well-Known Member

    I'm sure they require that all the bikes are race prepped and wired right? No glycol etc? And the riders are licensed to compete and have passed some level of basic training (New racer school). If it's not all of those it seems like a big lawsuit waiting to happen.
     
    drewnabobber, Jul 22, 2018
    #152
  13. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    FWIW - our limit is 120% - but it's of the class the rider is in so not necessarily the overall race leader. We do use the standing yellow all the time to give other riders aheads up. We do pull slower riders off if the difference is too great. We have send riders back to school to help them get their pace up. We do all sorts of things but all of them are based on our job being to get riders on track but at the same time do so as safely as possible.
     
    Mongo, Jul 22, 2018
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  14. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    Which set of rules do you use as the standard though? Ours and CCS' are pretty different with regard to wiring and glycol.
     
    Mongo, Jul 22, 2018
    #154
  15. britx303

    britx303 Boomstick Butcher…..

    Yeah that initial post I wrote came from the feeling that AHRMA doesnt really focus on actual racing,and seems to be about show casing vintage bikes as first priority.So the impression many of us get is that many ahrma racers show up to race but still have the showcase mentality before going fast mentality.Putting your bikes looks ahead of performance (man and machine combined). Its been creating some serious issues lately,and I thought that I read in the WERA RB a few years ago that guys getting lapped so many times would be flagged off. Im obviously not the best author I admit it,so it may have come out different than I heard it in my head.....:confused:
     
    britx303, Jul 22, 2018
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  16. G 97

    G 97 Garth

    Yeah I know what you are saying. And ultimately when it's all said and done It is only the lap time that matters. Whitnessed by pole position.
     
    G 97, Jul 22, 2018
    #156
  17. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    I have never been to an AHRMA race but I do get what you mean just from the rules. However I do know a lot of riders who run with them and they are always out there to race.

    Yes, people getting lapped too many times will get flagged - depending on the situation. If you ever have a question about a specific incident you can always find me at the track or email me after and I'll explain what's going on as best I can - I won't do it here as it just creates BS and there's no reason to try and call someone out for being slow.
     
    Mongo, Jul 22, 2018
    #157
  18. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    When what exactly is all said and done? Races can be won by a rider with slower average times. Pole position is great but doesn't mean anything other than pole position. Doesn't prove a riders ability overall one way or the other.
     
    Mongo, Jul 22, 2018
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  19. britx303

    britx303 Boomstick Butcher…..

    True enough.Point respectfully taken.
     
    britx303, Jul 22, 2018
    #159
  20. Ducti89

    Ducti89 Ticketing Melka’s dirtbike.....

    This occurred at Roebling in March.
     
    Ducti89, Jul 22, 2018
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