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Discussion in 'The Dungeon' started by In Your Corner, Sep 23, 2016.

  1. 2blueYam

    2blueYam Track Day Addict

    They wound up with lots of STDs and unwanted pregnancies. Yes, I know we still have those, but not as many as we would have without decent sex-ed programs. I will add that the internet is probably making those classes in school unnecessary if you could get the students to actually go to informative web sites instead of just porn.
     
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  2. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    Totally agree - but not sure how many 5th graders or younger are sexually active enough to need education on it.
     
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  3. sheepofblue

    sheepofblue Well-Known Member

    Must suck to go through life that full of hate.
     
  4. worthless

    worthless Well-Known Member

    Pound it into their heads before they become sexually active.
    Otherwise, it's like telling a heroin addict that drugs are bad AFTER he took his first hit.
     
  5. CausticYarn

    CausticYarn Well-Known Member

    Plenty.
    We had 3 girls pregnant in our intermediate school (5th & 6th grade) when I was in the mill.

    As an aside - sex education doesn't mean the physical act at all age groups - usually at the younger age groups they teach about bodies and physical differences between boys and girls. And that your body is your own - if someone starts touching you without your permission - tell on their ass. They don't pass out condoms and teach about the in and out to the younger kids.

    You bet your ass we watched child birth in 5th grade though :)
     
  6. In Your Corner

    In Your Corner Dungeonesque Crab AI Version

    Wrong.
    CDC: Sexually Transmitted Disease Rates Have Hit an All-Time High—Again
     
  7. Wingnut

    Wingnut Well-Known Member

    I'm all for early sex education.

    As many of you know I have adopted a bunch of kids out of the foster care system and I'm still heavily involved in volunteering with kids in the system. I see so many young kids who have been molested, raped, abused by older kids and adults because they just didn't know what was happening. They didn't have anyone teach them what was normal and what was wrong or illegal.
     
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  8. 2blueYam

    2blueYam Track Day Addict

    That article lacks a bit of detail. Is it an all time high in number of cases or a rate percentage of the population? Looks like they are only reporting the former. As our population grows, the numbers will naturally get higher.

    Oh, look at this, the budget for educating and prevention has been cut. Surprise, surprise, and the number of cases is increasing. Thank you for pointing to research that proves my point.
    "The purchasing power of the CDC's budget for sexually transmitted disease prevention has declined 40% in the past 15 years,"

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/28/health/std-rates-united-states-2018-bn/index.html
     
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  9. sheepofblue

    sheepofblue Well-Known Member

    That is so 1970's now they teach how you can be a boygirl or girlboy or manbearpig....it is all a choice. Of course this is taught be a trans person for inclusion and anyone that disagrees will be severely punished.
     
  10. In Your Corner

    In Your Corner Dungeonesque Crab AI Version

    But you claimed the cases were down, so which is it?
    And can you show causation between the decline in spending power and the increase in cases?
    You should know that correlation doesn't equal causation.


    I pulled this from the CDC report:

    The CDC analysis of STD cases reported for 2013 and preliminary data for 2017 shows steep, sustained increases:

    • Gonorrhea diagnoses increased 67 percent overall (from 333,004 to 555,608 cases according to preliminary 2017 data) and nearly doubled among men (from 169,130 to 322,169). Increases in diagnoses among women — and the speed with which they are increasing — are also concerning, with cases going up for the third year in a row (from 197,499 to 232,587).
    • Primary and secondary syphilis diagnoses increased 76 percent (from 17,375 to 30,644 cases). Gay, bisexual and other men who have sex with men (MSM) made up almost 70 percent of primary and secondary syphilis cases where the gender of the sex partner is known in 2017. Primary and secondary syphilis are the most infectious stages of the disease.
    • Chlamydia remained the most common condition reported to CDC. More than 1.7 million cases were diagnosed in 2017, with 45 percent among 15- to 24-year-old females.
    It's clear from those numbers that the percentage of cases is increasing and
    that it's not a factor of an increase in population.
     
  11. 2blueYam

    2blueYam Track Day Addict

    I can no more prove that the decrease in funding has caused the increase than you can’t prove that it didn’t. You are the one claiming it doesn’t help, yet when they introduced sex-ed in African countries the incidence of aids went down drastically, so we do know that education works in general, particularly when it comes with easy access to condoms.
     
  12. In Your Corner

    In Your Corner Dungeonesque Crab AI Version

    Give me a link to your claims.
    I don't have to prove anything since you are the one claiming a benefit from
    sex education, a benefit which you specified as a drop in VD rates.
    I showed you that wasn't true.
     
  13. 2blueYam

    2blueYam Track Day Addict

    You showed me nothing of the sort. You showed me that STDs are on the rise and I showed you that spending on education and prevention is down. Maybe it isn't directly related, but it sure doesn't look as good for your argument as mine. Here is some research backing up my claim about education and reduced rates:

    https://www.guttmacher.org/gpr/2011...eveloping-countries-evidence-and-implications

     
  14. In Your Corner

    In Your Corner Dungeonesque Crab AI Version

    How about something that involves the country we're talking about?
    It's not difficult to imagine improvements in knowledge among the
    population when that population is relatively ignorant to begin with,
    but we're talking about this country.
    You're just guessing.
    Show me historic evidence of the drop in STDs correlating with the increase
    in dollars spent on sex ed and you'd have something.
    Historically, the increase in education spending on all subjects has
    produced increasingly worse results. Why would spending on sex ed be any different?
     
  15. 2blueYam

    2blueYam Track Day Addict

    ... and now you have made a claim. I will await your evidence that the increase in education spending has produced increasingly worse results.

    The evidence that spending less (as we are now doing) is not working out out seems to be evident to me.
     
  16. In Your Corner

    In Your Corner Dungeonesque Crab AI Version

    I never made such a claim.
    You claimed a cause and effect twice and didn't prove either one.
    I'm not claiming any cause and effect.
    It's not up to me to make your argument for you.
    It "seems to be evident" proves nothing except it's your opinion.
     
  17. CausticYarn

    CausticYarn Well-Known Member

    We aren't allowed to teach sex education anymore. It's abstinance only education all over the country - and handing out condoms is forbidden.
    That coupled with Tinder and the garbage problem in LA - we are all going to die from super AIDS.
     
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  18. In Your Corner

    In Your Corner Dungeonesque Crab AI Version

    Cite.
     
  19. lrrs517

    lrrs517 Internet Investigative Officer

    The only kind of sex education the left is interested in is having some drag queen in a classroom telling children that being a weirdo is normal. And conventional marriage is a form of hate.
     
  20. Wingnut

    Wingnut Well-Known Member

    Has anyone here sat in on a 5th or 6th grade sex ed class (maturation class) lately?

    Or are you just guessing what public education is teaching?
     

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