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Pensacola terrorists shooting

Discussion in 'The Dungeon' started by Fencer, Dec 7, 2019.

  1. ducnut

    ducnut Well-Known Member

    Just WOW!
     
  2. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    Totally disagree. There are many different ways to train for different uses of firearms. I do agree on the train as needed but there is no need to train every service member to be a cop, just as there isn't a need to train them all to be special forces or train them all to fix tanks or train them all to load bombs onto planes and so on. If you have airmen stationed as guards they should be trained as guards and armed, if however the NAS training are is open and no guards more like a college campus then so be it, you deal with it just like any other training place and call the locals.
     
  3. nigel smith

    nigel smith Well-Known Member

    I suspect that anyone who has ever been issued a uniform and a gun by the United States government would disagree with you. Every last service member has received firearms training. It sort of goes with the job. Armed forces and such. If more training seems warranted, provide it.
     
  4. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    Not all firearms training is equal. It's silly to assume otherwise. It is silly for ALL members of the armed forces to be trained in ALL methods of firearms use.

    It's a hell of a lot different telling a kid in basic to shoot his weapon in a given direction at the enemy than it is to have them shooting inside a school on US soil making sure there are no innocents in the line of fire and so on.
     
  5. kangasj

    kangasj Banned

    So if they take CC training then can the carry or is that enough training for you but not for them? Trying to understand here...
     
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  6. ducnut

    ducnut Well-Known Member

    I agree.

    Uniformed servicemembers and people who look like servicemembers are targets of the scum of this earth. It’s not a comfortable feeling.
     
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  7. nigel smith

    nigel smith Well-Known Member

    Inside a school? What exactly do you picture when you think of a military training facility? Obviously, you have the right to express your opinion, but I feel that your lack of experience in this area prevents you from drawing an informed conclusion.
     
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  8. 600 dbl are

    600 dbl are Shake Zoola the mic rula


    A service member working in the PAC office still has to qualify with the M4. Same goes with cooks, mechanics, and a whole host of other non combat arms specialties. Those jobs are trained on how to qualify with the rifle, nothing more, nothing less. Qualifying and real world use are completely different. Stating any of those specialties constitutes the ability to effectively move, shoot and communicate is patently false.

    CC is for primarily for self preservation, not hunt down the maniac shooting up a mall/movie theater/church. At least by Floriduh standards, military training exempted me from having to take the CC class. CC class is more about how not to break the law than it is about effectively shooting. I could also be misunderstanding your point?
     
  9. kangasj

    kangasj Banned

    Gee, I don't know. I suspect the service members who were shot would have been interested in self preservation....
     
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  10. 600 dbl are

    600 dbl are Shake Zoola the mic rula

    Who's disagreeing with that?
     
  11. kangasj

    kangasj Banned

    Maybe I'm missing something. I pointed out that a civilian can carry with a CC permit and thought it logical that a service member should be able to carry too....even on a base.

    You said "CC is for primarily for self preservation, not hunt down the maniac shooting up a mall/movie theater/church. At least by Floriduh standards, military training exempted me from having to take the CC class. CC class is more about how not to break the law than it is about effectively shooting. I could also be misunderstanding your point?"

    So my point was let them CC for self preservation. I didn't say anything about them hunting down a maniac shooting up a mall/movie the...
     
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  12. nigel smith

    nigel smith Well-Known Member

    How many of you think this incident would have even occurred if a large portion of the servicemen present had been openly and obviously armed? Terrorist attacks on American police stations don't seem to appeal to our peace loving Islamic guests.
     
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  13. nigel smith

    nigel smith Well-Known Member

    We received training on the M4 and the 1911, which obviously indicates my experience is a bit dated. Training thereafter did vary depending on assignment. Given the current global political climate, perhaps more range time would be warranted across the board. Simple familiarity with your weapon would provide an edge if actually confronted by an active shooter. Leave the tactical work to the specialists, but the ability to shoot back in self defense is fairly fundamental.
     
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  14. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    Come on now, you're trying to be obtuse here.
     
  15. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    It is not a base guarded by shore patrol so what other conclusion should I draw? Guarded bases are a night and day different thing and the locals are not called in to deal with security issues.
     
  16. Ducti89

    Ducti89 Ticketing Melka’s dirtbike.....

    Uhh Fort Hood was “well guarded” and ended up being as bloody as a school shooting scene.
     
  17. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    It was? Then why were the locals called in to deal with the shooter and not the guards? We may have differing versions of well guarded....
     
  18. Chino52405

    Chino52405 Well-Known Member

    If every enlisted soldier can't be trusted to carry 24/7 what does that say about private citizens?
    :stupid:
     
  19. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    The overwhelming majority of private citizens can't be trusted to drive a damn car, why would you think they'd be good with carrying weapons :crackup:
     
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  20. R Acree

    R Acree Banned

    I would think that is highly dependent on what your ultimate goal might be. I can see some long term benefits to a temporary surplus of armed idtios.
     

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