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MotoAmerica changes for 2018

Discussion in 'General' started by rcarson15, Sep 9, 2017.

  1. The only good thing about all of this is that bikes are getting less chickenshit my the day. :D

    They will keep upping each other as this displacement war goes on, and then at some point they will start improving the chassis, brakes, etc.

    Before long, the 600cc class will be booming again.
     
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  2. Brad

    Brad Swollen Member

    That's what I'm saying. This is an apples to apples comparison yet Yamaha guys are getting heat for complaining. R3 came in at 25cc larger than the N300, Kawi responds with 103cc increase and people cheer it.

    Meanwhile there are plenty of folks on the beeb that bitch about Ducati and any other twin getting a cc "advantage." Mainly Ducati....well because, Ducati.

    600 to 636, % wise, makes alot more sense than 321 to 399.
     
  3. ekraft84

    ekraft84 Registered User

    Pretty soon it'll be the "All new YZ650 - besting the SV650 with traction control, ABS and engine braking directly from Yamaha R1."
     
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  4. metricdevilmoto

    metricdevilmoto Just forking around

    Turns out, going forward, that even Ducati agrees that even their displacement advantage isn't worth sticking with the twin.

    Kawasaki has always behaved like a Japanese Ducati with goofball specials like the H2 and race specials for homologation purposes and blurring the displacement lines and special editions and such even though they are wildly different companies.
     
  5. RRP

    RRP Kinda Superbikey

    A technical perspective from someone who's total body of motorcycle mechanical knowledge can be summed up with :

    (1) This makes it go and this makes it stop.

    (2) Thank you for shopping at Livengood Motorsports.


    :D
     
  6. Kelly Rees

    Kelly Rees Well-Known Member

    The 400 racing in the Jr. Cup is the equivalent of letting GSXR750's in supersport.

    Theres a lot going on here and it needs to get fixed. I dont have an issue with a 390 single in the class. I have an issue with a $24,000 KTM in the class that at this point nobody but the 2 KTM Factory support riders have access to. I tried to buy one last week just to see. I can get a KTM 390R sometime in April or May but KTM North America had not heard anything about the 300 SSP kit that is being used coming to the US.

    I'm in a very unique position with my Team Ownership. I was told last night that I could do whatever I felt was right. If I wanted to go buy a Ninja 400 this morning or import a KTM I could.

    What I feel is right is staying with Yamaha. They built a pretty incredible program for these kids. They put together partnerships with other companies for these kids to get free product, free support and contingency. They put together a crew of data and chassis guys for us to have free access to. They gave the kids hospitality at the races, daily meeting with Graves, Hayes to coach them at any time during the weekends and so much more. Yamaha is backing these kids up, helping foster talent and grow the sport. That deserves some loyalty and respect.

    I have faith they will get parity in the rules at some point. I think the championship will be well out of reach by the time they do.
     
  7. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    Kelly - what the heck happened Thursday?
     
  8. Kelly Rees

    Kelly Rees Well-Known Member

    The golf cart? Transmission locked up going down the hill and flipped it.
     
  9. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    Ouch. Wondered why it went over, no way they were doing anything stupid at that point. Thought either front end let go or something along those lines.
     
  10. Kelly Rees

    Kelly Rees Well-Known Member

    It was not good. They had 2 guys on the back that just asked for a ride. One guy ended up in the hospital to get checked out. Gauge was driving and said that it just locked up and started going sideways. He saved it once. Golf cart guys called bullshit on him until they flipped it back on its wheels and 4 guys pushing couldnt get it to roll.
     
  11. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    So it was a rental? Interesting. Glad Gauge was okay.
     
  12. Kelly Rees

    Kelly Rees Well-Known Member

    Yeah, brand new rental cart. Thanks, he got a little beat up but nothing serious.
     
  13. t11ravis

    t11ravis huge carbon footprint

    Well said.
     
  14. t11ravis

    t11ravis huge carbon footprint

    Man, I was wondering that exact thing when I went down that hill as well.
     
  15. Kelly Rees

    Kelly Rees Well-Known Member

    My data guy walks in the pit Thursday and like its nothing out of the ordinary says "Hey Kelly, you know Gauge is standing next to a flipped golf cart on the hill?"
     
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  16. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    :crackup:

    It was definitely the subject of most conversations while everyone set up
     
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  17. motion

    motion Nihilistic Member

    The Kaw 400 and 390R on the grid is total BS. Sounds like they'll take anything just to fill the grids up.

    Kelly, I admire your loyalty.
     
  18. Kelly Rees

    Kelly Rees Well-Known Member

    Oh I’m sure it was.
     
  19. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    Yamaha may have wanted a Yamaha cup but they're not paying for it like KTM did. Not to mention the grid is more diverse at the world level. I think they'll figure it out.
     
  20. grasshopper

    grasshopper Well-Known Member

    What’s the difference in HP and weight roughly between the Yam, KTM and Kawi?
     

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