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Moto America PIRC. podium predictions?

Discussion in 'General' started by regularguy, Aug 15, 2019.

  1. noles19

    noles19 Well-Known Member

    Is Dumas really on the same bike though? Turner is on a 2nd gen last I saw. And Parrish runs his own deal with great help from amazing people, but that's still not the same level as team hammer is it?
     
  2. swiest152

    swiest152 Zoran's headache

    Well that's not even remotely true.
     
  3. 2blueYam

    2blueYam Track Day Addict

    Dumas bike had 5mph or more on the other SVs in the speed trap that I saw from qualifying. That wasn’t just a single lap either, so I don’t think it is drafting.
     
  4. Ya the Team Hammer bikes are good, really good. Dumas is also tiny and can ride, he gets a good drive and tucks in the bike well. I haven’t looked but what are Dumas and Blasius trap speeds? They are on the same kit but Joe is a bit larger than Alex.
     
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  5. Hoffman900

    Hoffman900 Well-Known Member

    Hard track to go by trap speeds at Pitt - momentum / drive out of the corner matters huge there in terms of that. Road America is a better indicator as all the bikes get to terminal speed, Dumas wasn’t the fastest Suzuki there, and Turner has been as fast or faster trap speed wise at multiple events, in multiple sessions.

    Hell, Jake Lewis, Mathew Scholtz, JD are all usually down 4-5mph to the factory bikes, and can make it work. At the very least, they don’t try cleaning out their competitors. The differences in Twins is a lot less than that (tenths - 2 to 3 mph among the front runners).
     
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  6. TLR67

    TLR67 Well-Known Member

    I agree with this 100%
     
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  7. Hoffman900

    Hoffman900 Well-Known Member

    The man drama is strong on the MA Twins Cup Race 2 post race interview:
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  8. turner38

    turner38 Well-Known Member

    If you think the 77 bike is getting a better drive than Kris at Pittsburg or than any of the other front runners you are delusional.

    The only place he has pace is of the corner and down the straights. The biggest issue is the difference off the corner. It is significantly stronger than any other bike on the grid. None of the other Yamahas equal it.
    Dumas is a little guy and it seems that the M4 bunch found something between Road America and Laguna and the trap speed has been up as a result. Draik isn’t a little guy and doesn’t carry the corner speed or get the drives Dumas does.
     
  9. Circacee

    Circacee Well-Known Member

    TWINS and Supersport are definitely keeping MA alive.

    Landers is running away with the Junior Cup and Superbike is a Factory show. Superstock is Lee`s to lose though this weekend proved to be quite entertaining.

    Anyone care to chime in on the PJ/Hayden altercation? That was fireworks waiting to happen. Props to the Fonger for riding through the injury though SDK`s looking like the man!
     
  10. regularguy

    regularguy Always Krispy

    What SV was fastest at PIRC?
     
  11. rk97

    rk97 Well-Known Member

    I don’t think he’s ever worried much about his fitness or diet, so probably.

    Not that i know Danny at all, but everything i have seen from him suggests a hard racer, but not a hard trainer. And that’s not meant to be any kind of insult - he practices riding and racing plenty. I just don’t think he’s interested in having a workout “plan” or strategy.

    The “science” would be perceived as a waste of brain energy. Danny rides loose, and it works for him. I actually kind of admire that about him. How many of us obsess about things that help 1% while neglecting the bigger picture? /$.02
     
  12. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    Same here - but if you want to be a professional racer then you need to act like one. Going off on another rider because of how your bikes work differently is not professional.
     
  13. Metalhead

    Metalhead Dong pilot

  14. Dragginass

    Dragginass Well-Known Member

    I just watched the race. All the waving and gesturing was ridiculous. Someone's bike will always be faster. If they are playing within the rules set forth by MA, and they are in front of you, deal with it. I didn't see Barnes do any gesturing but that was a nasty pass attempt on a championship leader.
     
  15. Dragginass

    Dragginass Well-Known Member

    The other thing is we aren't talking about factory teams. If a Yamaha/Ducati etc works better than what you ride.....then switch bikes and beat them at their own game.

    That said, a Suzuki won the race.....so excuses are silly.
     
  16. younglion

    younglion Well-Known Member

    MA timing screen for the race shows Dumas' bike was 2nd fastest overall - down 2+mph on Draiks bike and James/Madama were pretty much identical in terms of top speed to Dumas.

    I'd guess all 3 of those riders are at minimum 25lbs or more heavier than Dumas which has to hurt top speed and how long it takes to hit terminal speeds as you say.
     
  17. Kris87

    Kris87 Friendly Smartass

    I've watched the twins race twice now. Some of the passes around the outside were incredible. The 77 bike was passing riders from 10 and 15 bike lengths back coming onto the front straight. That thing is an absolute missile. Props to whoever built it.
     
  18. turner38

    turner38 Well-Known Member

    I’m not real happy with all the gesturing either and there will be a come to Jesus meeting about it.

    As far as playing within the rules set forth that remains to be seen as MA has done a very poor job of making sure bikes are within the rules other than the games they played at Road Atlanta.
    JMO

    This year has really sucked for us. Kris has been in survival mode pretty much since Road Atlanta, that makes it hard to perform at optimum levels.
     
  19. drop

    drop Well-Known Member

    To answer his Facebook question about what to do about slow drivers in the fast lane, I move over and go the fuck on. The track is 30 feet plus wide
     
  20. drop

    drop Well-Known Member

    They have protest rules.
     

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