Liberalism "is a disease"?

We talk about this in here a lot because most of us are conservative/libertarian leaning, but what does it really mean? Where is the rationale (even if it seems crazy, they have one so no, "there is no rationale" is not a valid answer) in this thinking?

I think they believe that the various thugs, criminals, etc that are committing crimes and such are "victims" of the oppressive society we live in, and to a certain (very limited) extent, they may be right. There are certain things about our society that seem to stack the odds against certain people. Drug crimes would probably be front and center in that discussion, and subsequently the prison systems because it's next to impossible to be a productive citizen once you've been convicted of a felony.

I don't believe it's some sort of conspiracy to destroy the country, at least not among the ranks. Most of these people truly believe they're doing the right thing. There's also the reality that the crazy green haired pussyhat/antifa/blm-type idiots represent a very small percent of the left. A lot of them just go along with it because they believe it's the lesser of two evils compared to the Republicans.

 

Dig it. . .curious to see how long this can stay on the rails because this is an excellent post to start things off. Mad props.

Cue the fucked up beer emoji. . .

 

Liberalism is just a way to give people a pass for a lot of the poor choices they make.

Examples that irk the shit out of me:

"Uneven Distribution of Wealth" - work harder, come up with an idea....EARN it M'Fer!

"An unequal percentage of Minorities in prisons versus Caucasian inmates" - The law is the law..if you know it's wrong and you do it, and you get caught, you're gonna pay the penalty one way or the other. If you can afford a good lawyer, you lose opportunities by having to pay them with your money, if you cannot afford Johnny Cochran to spare you from the Crowbar Hotel, you get to pay with your time behind bars. Either way, you pay..it's just that simple.

 

I think it’s a phsycoligical which also brings philosophical way of looking at things. I think liberals are people who use emotional rationale more then logical rationale. Someone who looks at a problem and uses logic to try to solve will do one of 2 things. 1 they will solve the problem or 2 recognize their solution did not work and look for another solution using what they learned from their last attempt. Someone who solves a problem with emotion will also do 1 of 2 things. 1 they may solve their problem or 2 lay blame on someone or something because they are emotionally vested and it hurts to be wrong.

I watched a video with Jordan Peterson and Russell Brand. In which Peterson tries to explain inequality to Brand. He said there is absolutely inequality in every form of government there is. But it’s driving factors of inequality are not absolutely known. He did say that you can look at oppurtunity as a driving force. One in which the more wealth you aquire the more opportunities come your way. And the less money you have the less opportunities come your way. And the 2 separate from each other exponentially and no one knows why they grow apart from each other they just do.

Brand could not grasp that because he’s only thinking it’s wrong for inequality to exist. Not logically that no matter what you do it will be there. If you think about it Peterson is absolutely right. What he missed in my opinion is that people latch on to success to create their own. I work construction and can’t remember when carhartt came out with some pants with some workers name on them. But everyone has a shoe with their name on it for every sport.

I think that’s why liberals are nuts not because what they talk doesn’t have truth to it. It’s their answer is pure emotional dung. There is no logic to it. Gun ban makes your heart warm doesn’t prevent anyone from killing anyone. Less minorities in college fix it by lowering standards so it’s easier for them to get in then complain that they need easier work because it’s to hard for minorities. Never addressing the question as to why is it hard. Unless they are racist and believe minorities are incapable of learning logically there is something else that is the driving force to that that lowering standards is not going to fix. And I can go on and on and on but it all boils down to emotional problem solving versus logical reasoning.

 

Classic liberalism is more akin to Libertarian, than what passes for liberalism today. They have morphed from a strong belief in economic freedom into a warped imposed economic bondage placed on those that produce to provide freedom for those that don't. Logic is absent and the focus is on pure feelings and emotion, some of our colleagues excepted. Victimhood, real, perceived or imagined is the coin which they use to hold others in bondage.

 

As a conservative, I'm kinda tired on how everyone bashes everyone here. Lefties are in the minority and there are a few that are just assholes like pkaustin. However, chino, jase, and others shouldn't be bashed when they just post their side of things. ESPECIALLY when you post a thread asking for "their" opinions. If everyone agreed, this would be a boring place and a boring world. It's gotta take some amount of balls to post in this forum knowing you'll be outnumbered and beaten down. Kinda like one of us posting comments on hufpo and looking for meaningful conversation.

The current "progressive" movement is absolutely a sickness. It will never end because their identity is caught up in always finding something "racist, bigoted, homophobic, xyzphobic". I don't think that's most of the left side in here. Just like those of us on the right have to deal with being lumped in with extreme religious zealots and REAL racists, it's not fair. I really wish we could have a real vetting of ideas without it devolving into personal attacks and name calling. It seems you're only on the left or the right and there's no room for compromise. I don't know that liberalism is really a good word for the far left anymore. Just like conservatives should, in no way, be associated with the KKK.

 

You can "catch" aspects of any ideology due to prolonged exposure. Is that a disease?

One side wants you to believe that all of life is black and white and invents things on both sides to "prove" their point. The other side wants to make you believe that all of life is grey and they constantly mix and muddy everything that approaches black and white to "prove" their point.

Believe it or not, I'm the one speaking with people I'm surrounded by daily about many of the things the right dominant dungeon believes. I present most arguments vastly differently than conveyed here and more often than not for different reasons, but I am the one getting piled on when I express why banning all guns won't even begin to work and why they shouldn't waste their breath incessantly screaming about Trump. Presidents will likely always be polarizing figures whether there are two parties or eight, but the absolute ineffectiveness of the legislative branch of gov't to effectively converse and represent their people (district or state) accurately in favor of party priorities takes the cake. They do nothing better than they do something and often with better results.

I'm a contrarian that believes the majority of Americans identify with < 50% of either party's combined platform and record - unless juxtaposed against the other one. We've been led into a false narrative of not just left versus right anymore but extreme left versus extreme right and constantly allow it to dominate the conversation. I suppose on some level I must believe that if I argue with everyone to certain extent it might help destroy party loyalty. That eventually lands me into asshole territory in all company where bar banned conversations are being had. You guys know the result here but I recently earned the accolade "you sound like assholes on the internet" in my real life. So yeah, you could say it's working out.

EDIT: the dungeon has also become a more polarized place without a proper beer emoji. Every discovery of common ground can't be a happy hour beer orgy or crickets.

 

WHAT DO WE WANT?

BEER EMOJI!

WHEN DO WE WANT IT?

NOW!



NO BEER EMOJI, NO PEACE!

 

Shut up, asshole.

 

A couple of you are spot on in your assessment of advancing polarization. The reason why is the internet/social media/smartphones. I was watching a talk with Simon Sinek that was fascinating. He talked about how young people are so vulnerable to social media and phone addiction. Basically there is a dopamine release every time there is a like, or attention given and they literally become addicted to it. That's where his talk ended but it's easy to draw the conclusion that we are more divided because we have a platform to access the entire world at our fingertips so we now hear what everyone thinks. Before we could be friends with people and never even know what they thought about certain things but now we've grown into this new behavior of arguing/defending ideas, looking for approval, and seeking out confirmation bias. So I blame the internet for the division.

 

See this? We might all turn into this guy if we don't get back our beer emoji.

 

Well my name already Darrin. Just spelled different. Maybe I’m doomed!

 

That's the master plan. Mongo is building an army of cranky-ass d'erns to destroy roadracing and then the world! Muahahahaaaa!

 

Why would you want to try to change the world? You must understand this would be akin to boiling the ocean if you think you are going to change people's philosophies by arguing with them.

 

You try boiling the ocean and Switzerland will prosecute you for animal cruelty for not killing the lobsters before boiling them.

 

I would also think there is a dopamine release for trolling, as this is an yuge attention getter.

 

Liberalism is definitely some kind of disorder but to talk about the symptoms only would not address the illness. The symptoms are the bad behavior - intolerance, overly emotional, bigotry, violence, virtue signaling, vacuum of logic, etc.

I think that the illness itself is some sort of self guilt, low self-esteem, jealous, emotional disorder. I don't think it's a lack of IQ, plenty of liberals are intelligent but they can't seem to access that brain power with decision making. The logic chip is defective or wasn't installed. It's almost as if liberalism is a disorder that doesn't allow parts of the brain to develop beyond toddler years. If you look at our environment, there seems to be a lack of testosterone which definitely plays into the emotional issues for young men. They aren't driven, competitive, and have a lack of self-esteem so they turn to liberal ideals to feel better.

This is why communism/socialism/marxism is so appealing to the liberal brain and they are easily manipulated. Lenin called them "useful idiots". He was referring to the people that were easily manipulated by communist propaganda. If you tap into the emotional liberal brain with idealistic promises, they will keep you in power. The modern Democrat party are socialists and they understand this. They appeal to an idealistic dreamer only. Hillary's mentor was Alinsky and she as well as the rest of the D party follows his "Rules for Radicals" to perfection. It appeals to liberalism.

I also think that middle aged and older Democrat voters don't understand the modern liberal or how the party has shifted to be so radical left. More of them are realizing it daily so the modern liberal is a growing young person demographic.

It's definitely a mental illness and it's dangerous to a free people.

<---------fix this please!

 

Absolutely! Trolling can be very rewarding!

 

Not to mention the killing off the whole sushi bidness.