I don't understand liberal politics

Discussion in 'The Dungeon' started by redtailracing, Jan 17, 2020.

  1. R Acree

    R Acree Banned

    If the box don't fit, you must submit.
     
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  2. sheepofblue

    sheepofblue Well-Known Member

    Bernie is a communist. Check his honeymoon and listen to him.
     
  3. sheepofblue

    sheepofblue Well-Known Member

    ACLU is a leftist bunch of freaks that do not defend the Constitution except when it suits their ends.

    Fire department is volunteer here, they do an amazing job.

    Oh and no system is pure if it works. However saying services like roads are socialist is a bit silly. As to hospitals at one time they were private and faith based and did a pretty good job with the technology of their day.
     
  4. In Your Corner

    In Your Corner Dungeonesque Crab

    Say what? Did someone rewrite history?
     
  5. rice r0cket

    rice r0cket Well-Known Member

    So contributing your time, unpaid, to create a social safety net that is a VFD, to protect the citizens from an unlikely but potentially lifechanging event, isn't a fundamentally Socialist idea?

    You're very good at the mental gymnastics. Just don't call you a socialist, right?
     
  6. In Your Corner

    In Your Corner Dungeonesque Crab

    No, it's not. That's not how Socialism works. Volunteering is the opposite of Socialism.
    Socialism is characterized by force. Being forced to contribute your time and efforts for
    the greater good is Socialism.
     
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  7. Venom51

    Venom51 John Deere Equipment Expert - Not really

    He's not being forced to volunteer. If he was mandated to do so that'd be different but then that wouldn't be volunteer now would it. He is contributing his effort to the greater good of the community by his own choice. There is nothing socialist about it. I realize the English language is hard but words have meaning and you aren't a volunteer if you are being forced to give something up under force of government.
     
  8. rice r0cket

    rice r0cket Well-Known Member

    Wow.
    So you're telling me that nearly everyone on the continent of Europe, is being forced to work, and there are dire consequences if they skip a day? Is it like a secret police or something that makes people disappear if they don't show up, and nobody talks about them anymore?

    I can't tell if you're just gaslighting at this point.
     
  9. TXFZ1

    TXFZ1 Well-Known Member

    Are you claiming europe is mostly socialistic? Like Marx-Lenin or the Nordic model of free market with heavy social programs.
     
  10. sheepofblue

    sheepofblue Well-Known Member

    No it is not. Key word VOLUNTARY. There is nothing voluntary about socialism, that is by force.
     
  11. In Your Corner

    In Your Corner Dungeonesque Crab

    You don't understand Socialism if you think Europe practices actual Socialism.
    None of their governments operate as a Socialist regime. They do love social programs.
     
  12. Chino52405

    Chino52405 Well-Known Member

    Yet you all argue here everyday that the Dems are trying to take the US to "actual socialism"... Would also wager most references in the dungeon to "socialist European this and that" wouldn't come with the distinctions being argued so hard here.

    Is national healthcare socialism or a social program? Were you forced to participate? Were you forced to work for it? Who argued the other side so which response needs to be prepared...?
     
  13. Venom51

    Venom51 John Deere Equipment Expert - Not really

    It is when you are fined for not participating.
     
  14. In Your Corner

    In Your Corner Dungeonesque Crab

    Ask a Cuban doctor.
     
  15. sheepofblue

    sheepofblue Well-Known Member

    They are definitely Socialist in some of the countries, not pure but there is no pure system of anything in the world when it comes to forms of government. Oh and not all of europe is.
     
  16. HPPT

    HPPT !!!

    You noticed? :D
     
  17. In Your Corner

    In Your Corner Dungeonesque Crab

    Which countries are you referring to?
     
  18. sheepofblue

    sheepofblue Well-Known Member

    Scandanavians ones and France. Greece was going there off the top of my head.
     
  19. speeddaddy

    speeddaddy Well-Known Member

    Most “Social programs” are just wealth redistribution. Society taking responsibility for you ‘cause you or you parents can’t. You need a license for just about everything but bringing children into this world. No biggie society will look after them if you can’t.
     
  20. Venom51

    Venom51 John Deere Equipment Expert - Not really

    That is all government has ever done...shuffle money from people to other people.
     

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