Discussion in 'The Dungeon' started by In Your Corner, Feb 28, 2019.
The parents are an American and an Israeli who used a surrogate mother. Please stop making up shit.
Does the article state the nationality of the mother? All I saw was that the twins were born in Canada.
Good point, she might not have been Candian. It is pretty easy to assume she wasn't a US citizen though.
Assuming the surrogate was not a US citizen, one kid was automatic. The other not so much by the classic criteria.
After a quick check - the law says nothing about surrogates, only discusses parentage. One parent is a US citizen and child is born to an alien then kid is a citizen. Does not require a DNA test to prove anything. Does not say word one about sperm donation or the like. Does not specify what it means by parent.
Nothing that says kid a should have been treated differently than kid b. Nothing about the parents marriage status either. Everything says if one parent is a citizen then the kid is - so both kids are citizens. Easy peasy.
Hmmmmm.... found another site done by the State Department, back in a bit
Acquisition of U.S. Citizenship by a Child Born Abroad
Birth Abroad in Wedlock to Two U.S. Citizen Parents
A person born abroad in wedlock to a U.S. citizen mother and a U.S. citizen father acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under section 301(c) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), if one of the parents has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions prior to the person’s birth.
NOTE – MEANING OF “IN WEDLOCK”: a person is considered to be born in wedlock for the purposes of citizenship acquisition when the genetic and/or gestational parents are legally married to each other at the time of the person’s conception or birth or within 300 days of the termination of the marriage by death or divorce, and both parents are the legal parents of the child under local law at the time and place of birth.
Birth Abroad in Wedlock to a U.S. Citizen and an Alien
A person born abroad in wedlock to a U.S. citizen and an alien acquires U.S. citizenship at birth if the U.S. citizen parent has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions prior to the person’s birth for the period required by the statute in effect when the person was born (INA 301(g), formerly INA 301(a)(7).) For birth on or after November 14, 1986, the U.S. citizen parent must have been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for five years prior to the person’s birth, at least two of which were after the age of fourteen. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, the U.S. citizen parent must have been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for 10 years prior to the person’s birth, at least five of which were after the age of 14 for the person to acquire U.S. citizenship at birth. The U.S. citizen parent must be the genetic or the gestational parent and the legal parent of the child under local law at the time and place of the child’s birth to transmit U.S. citizenship.
Birth Abroad Out-of-Wedlock to a U.S. Citizen Father – “New” Section 309(a)
A person born abroad out-of-wedlock to a U.S. citizen father may acquire U.S. citizenship under Section 301(c) or 301(g) of the INA, as made applicable by the “new” Section 309(a) of the INA if:
A blood relationship between the person and the father is established by clear and convincing evidence;
The father had the nationality of the United States at the time of the person’s birth;
The father (unless deceased) has agreed in writing to provide financial support for the person until the person reaches the age of 18 years, and
While the person is under the age of 18 years --
the person is legitimated under the law of his/her residence or domicile,
the father acknowledges paternity of the person in writing under oath, or
the paternity of the person is established by adjudication of a competent court.
So now - is the State Department good with gay marriage?
On the final section it sure seems as if the father can acknowledge paternity without a court being involved. Also looks like if the Candians put him on the birth certificate as the father then the kid would be a citizen. Wonder if thats what got the testing done in the first place?
So after reading all that and reading the judges decision - I'm with the judge. The law does not require biological proof in how it is written or how it is usually enforced.
Seems like a little judicious filling in of forms could have avoided the confusion...unless the intent was to cause confusion.
"when the genetic and/or gestational parents" kid #2 genetic? no gestational? no
But then I doubt you will be convinced that kid #2 is not due automatic citizenship.
That one line out of context is not the law and in context does not supersede other portions of the law. As I said, after reading the law no, I cannot see any reason kid b would be denied citizenship. The DNA test is a moot point.
If however, that line were the only criteria that the law specified then I'd totally agree no go on kid b in this case and dna tests for everyone who has a biological mother than is an alien and is claiming citizenship through the father.
BTW - the important part of the comment you forgot to quote is "For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986"
The gestational stuff is the old law. (309)a as I quoted above is the new law.
Just what does a "blood relationship" in 309a mean to you?
It is one method of determining citizenship, it is not the only method otherwise as with number 3 there would be an "and" at the end signifying such.
9th circuit strikes again as someone should pay for SF sanctuary crap.
It sucks but can't see an issue with that ruling. Up to the lawmakers to fix, not the court.
Fix what??? The lawmakers are the ones pushing Sanctuary status and failing to uphold Federal policies, like placing holds on illegals instead of releasing them.
THIS BS is what I knew would happen, holding those AH's accountable to their screwed up policies will be impossible.
Um, fix exactly what you are bitching about?
Separate names with a comma.