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Farmer bail outs. Good or bad policy?

Discussion in 'The Dungeon' started by 50Joe, Jan 2, 2020.

  1. 50Joe

    50Joe Registered User

  2. cav115

    cav115 Well-Known Member

  3. jrsamples

    jrsamples Banned

    All bailouts suck balls. But I will say that there are some things that the country simply cannot do without. Bullets, food, and water.
     
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  4. In Your Corner

    In Your Corner Dungeonesque Crab AI Version

    No big deal in light of past history.
     
  5. G 97

    G 97 Garth

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  6. Chino52405

    Chino52405 Well-Known Member

    So if I own a warehouse where I didn't/couldn't produce anything due to hardship can I get a handout?
     
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  7. pickled egg

    pickled egg Tell me more

    Would you have objected to a loaf of bread costing $14, because the grain was sold at production cost?

    Subsidies suck. The thumb of the government on the scales of any market is complete bullshit — yet here we are.

    There were times where the costs of fuel and bait were so high that lobsterman lost money on every lobster they caught. So they tied up, and didn’t go to haul until the prices came up enough to make it worthwhile.

    They got Sherman Act’ed.

    Which is worse?
     
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  8. pickled egg

    pickled egg Tell me more

    Did you purchase dumbass insurance?
     
  9. In Your Corner

    In Your Corner Dungeonesque Crab AI Version

    How would that be the same as farmers having losses reimbursed?
     
  10. Chino52405

    Chino52405 Well-Known Member

    The whole point of the piece is that it's money over and above the insurance they already have. "We call it Trump money." They're already insured to a point in a way other businesses could never be and now they're getting handouts. Fall on hard times? Sell or borrow against the assets like every other business.
     
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  11. Fonda Dix

    Fonda Dix Well-Known Member

    I don’t know enough about this subject to make a response of any value.


    :)
     
  12. Britt

    Britt Well-Known Member

    Like Welfare, if it is needed fine, but if it becomes a "Life Style" or Long term business plan, then No...
    Here comes the flame.."what are you going to eat when farmers go out of business..and there's no food...blah blah blah....
    Generational Harvesting of Taxpayer Funds is NOT the answer.

    We are not talking about small family farms, we are talking Industrial Farming...ADM, Cargil..ect.
     
  13. G 97

    G 97 Garth

    Yeah nothing like creating a statement for a story. Because you know, all farmers call it this.
     
  14. G 97

    G 97 Garth

    Except ADM and Cargil don’t actually farm. :Poke:
     
  15. Britt

    Britt Well-Known Member

    What do they do??
     
  16. 50Joe

    50Joe Registered User

    Many are missing some key details regarding this issue. I can only assume you didn't read the NPR link. No Congressional oversight, excess payments, etc. Seems like very little to no control over the handouts. Giving chunks of cash out based on farm size weather they have actual crops planted or not. The auto bail outs had massive Congressional oversight back to when Bush was POTUS and Obama just carried through what was already in motion from the Bush administration. That goes for the banks too. "Too big to fail" was a term thrown around. Fuck that.
     
  17. In Your Corner

    In Your Corner Dungeonesque Crab AI Version

    I noticed in the article they were lamenting cuts to SNAP being made
    while payments to farmers increased and "I don't even know how to describe it except to
    say that it is cruel, it is unfair, and it is clearly designed to support the president's base, as
    he sees it, as opposed to those whom he sees as being undeserving.".
    No mention that SNAP payments have been on the way down since 2014 due to reduced
    need as the economy improves, or that SNAP gets close to 80 billion a year while the increase
    to offset tariff losses was less than 15 billion.
    Just the usual TDS crying.
     
  18. 50Joe

    50Joe Registered User

    Typical reply from you. So predictable. You take the little context out to suit your own personal agenda and viewpoint. My issue is where is the Congressional oversight and controls? If Obama was doing this you would be going ape shit.
     
  19. Chino52405

    Chino52405 Well-Known Member

    I only pulled that quote out to highlight this was different money. As 50Joe pointed out, handed out with no oversight by the guy they may be inclined to blame their farmed losses on.
     
  20. In Your Corner

    In Your Corner Dungeonesque Crab AI Version

    Where do you get a lack of oversight? I don't see any details.
    I can assure you that any funds spent were provided by Congress as
    there is no other source.
     

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