Endurance Double Header at VIR

Considering that Putnam is that same weekend, I'm going to suppose that very few people will make the trek from West of Interstate 81.

There will be an influx of AMA folks, but I hope they are not the one's you are concerned about. They can afford the Friday session.

Further, if a Sportsman sprinter knows that they're getting limited practice on Sat, and couldn't afford Friday, they'll probably NOT bother to arrive until Sat afternoon, and save the hotel fees for Friday night as well.

Have I poked enough holes yet.

 

3/5! 3/5! 3/5! 3/5!!!!!!!!!!

 

Since this was on the other thread, is it safe to assume you're shooting for two four hours?

 

Sean, what about a 2-Hour and a 5-hour Endurance on Saturday. Would that meet your criteria in getting the endurances in?

2 hours would be most beneficial to the Endurance teams and sprint riders(bike set up for the lack of morning practice). I am sure that most sprint riders would love to have a 2-hour endurance that would not completely deteriorate their sprint bikes and would give them some really good track time, while at the same time you are completing your endurance rounds. The 5-hour then would maximize the rest of the day after the break in-between and would really let the other serious endurance teams focus on the endurance part!

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[This message has been edited by PPR (edited 09-05-2001).]

 

Hey Mongo,
Am I reading this correctly. You're trying to get in two endurance races with two entry fees, two seperate points races and two seperate contingency races.
Will there be any doubling of points or contingency for sprints or another sprint race. If not, please explain!!

 

2 3.5 hours is fine by me.

We like longer races (more endurance you know) but 2 * 3.5 will be great.

Sam
AOD

 

I have two areas of concern with having less than an hour between races.

1. It is unfair to the smaller teams who may need to make major repairs (or even minor upkeep)to their bikes in between the races.

2. There is not enough time for the results from the first race to be printed up, posted, and have the full 30 minute protest period before the second race starts. Also, will you be able to refigure the overall points and come up with the new starting grid in that short amount of time. If not, does everyone agree to use the grid from the first race regardless where your team should be gridded following that race.


Mark's solution to this is to just forget about sprint practice altogether on Saturday.

My solution, can't we put the sprint practice session in between the two endurance races along with the lunch break? Sprints will still get practice, endurance teams will get more time to prepare for the second race.

I also want to make sure I understand something. A couple people have used the term "double" points. There will be no endurance points "doubled" this weekend right? There is going to be two separate races, scored separately, using the same points scale as usual, as if they occurred on two separate weekends. Am I correct?

 

I hope that having two endurance races eliminates a "double points" situation.

It has been argued that when sprint races have been cancelled in the past then double points were awarded at the following round. But these double points offerings were for all riders involved not exclusively for those who were "at" the cancelled event.

 

The whole point of the double points was to 'reward' the teams that showed up at Memphis. Instead of limiting entries to only teams who were at Memphis (thus limiting WERA's income), any team can enter the so-called make up round for Memphis and those teams who were actually at Memphis will be eligible for double points in the make up race. In effect, the teams who were at Memphis will be going after 3 rounds worth of points at VIR.

I think its fair since some teams expended considerable resources to be at Memphis and didn't get to race.

[This message has been edited by Due North (edited 09-05-2001).]

 

We like the 3.5 x 2 rounds idea as well. I wouldn't recomend shorter (Gator) because this is an endurance series - not a sprint series. With 2 hours, pit stops aren't too much a factor. Plus, like AOD, we like longer, but 3.5 is the minimum.

Is the idea for one of the rounds being a double points for those teams that entered at Memphis?? I think the tough part is for the teams that made the trek, but didn't sign up because the rain came. How is it fair to them? I guess we could quiz them.

I kinda like Nancy's idea about either eliminating sprint practice in the morning and do it between the races - this elimination will free up the morning and allow for an earlier start to race #1 and still get a 30 min. endurance only practice in. Between races, you could shorten the sprint practices which will give the Sunday guys some track time and allow the endurance teams that either need to do some minor set-ups or the teams that are only running one race to get a little track time. This also would also allow for minor repairs for those teams with one bike.

 

I'm sorry everyone was rained out at Memphis but the idea of double points in a make up race just for those who were rained out is ludicrous. Life isn't fair and this type of 'reward' is wholly against the spirit of racing.

A make up race is just that; a "make up" race.

 

Hey Sean will we still get two practice rounds on Sunday?

 

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[This message has been edited by PPR (edited 09-06-2001).]

 

I think you forget that you were the one crying and whining to begin with.

Please name another instance in any other racing organization where points were given out for a race that never happened.

I'll state this again. Double points or not, it should not affect our overall points standing. We have nothing to gain or lose if double points are awarded but you are asking to get something for nothing.