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Dumbass of the day award

Discussion in 'The Dungeon' started by sheepofblue, Mar 29, 2019.

  1. sheepofblue

    sheepofblue Well-Known Member

  2. ryoung57

    ryoung57 Off his meds

    They can "fix" it by removing or undoing all of the random bullshit they've tacked on to it over the years which has allowed it to become the disaster it is today. The bill Braun introduced that requires pricing to be posted is a step in the right direction The consumer (the patient) needs to be part of the discussion.

    Wasn't someone on here recently talking about his dad getting a neck brace from the hospital? It was the same neck brace he could get at Walgreen's for $20, but they charged the insurance company $900 for it.
     
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  3. Fonda Dix

    Fonda Dix Well-Known Member

    He is right that if the med industry does not change medicare will win. Its just that not he nor his partners in crime are the fix.
     
  4. blkduc

    blkduc no time for jibba jabba

    I was ridiculed on here for saying this back during the o-care hustle. DEREGULATE the entire industry. GTFO government, you've already F'ed it up by taking care of your big $ lobbists.

    "the scariest eight words in the English language are, I'm from the government...I'm here to help".
    --Ronald Reagan
     
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  5. Motofun352

    Motofun352 Well-Known Member

    Just got my bill for my yearly physical. 10 minutes with the Doc = $387
    1 standard blood test (8 categories)=$1500
    Medical costs are as f*cked up as college costs. Every time the gooberment gets involved the costs sky rocket. Now, there's no way that nearly $1900 will be paid for this work. What will happen is the delta will be considered a write off against the hospital's "non profit" status thus allowing them to keep a still exorbitant high fee. I don't know exactly how much profit they will see but I do believe they will cover it up with the write off. The insurance industry and Medicare are complicit in this in that they negotiate an agreed rate and don't care what the hospital puts on the initial bill.
     
  6. code3ryder

    code3ryder Well-Known Member

    My pops.
     
  7. ryoung57

    ryoung57 Off his meds


    So without writing a book or turning this into another "gangrape ryoung57 in the ass for two weeks without lube" like the FTP thread.....


    I can see healthcare going to a two-tier type of system. You'll have private pay for the people that can afford it which will be a free market system, setting pricing ranges for the industry and driving innovation. Then you'll have a secondary, single payer system providing emergency care (much like the police and fire departments) as well as healthcare for the masses.
     
  8. ryoung57

    ryoung57 Off his meds

    A prime example of how the medical industry SHOULD work is elective surgery. You can get a decent pair of bolt on tits in any major city for about $5k. That's not a simple surgery - they're putting you under, making large incisions, etc. A surgery of similar magnitude, but deemed "medically necessary" would probably cost 5-10 times as much, but only because the insurance and medicare/medicaid allow the hospital to charge that much instead of relying on the free market to regulate itself.
     
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  9. crashman

    crashman Grumpy old man

    Yep. IMO, the main problem is that big goobermint has stacked fuckups on top of fuckups trying to fix something they do not understand and created an environment where the hospitals, insurance companies and big pharma can give each other hand jobs under the table and reap big profits.

    Talking to my chiropractor, there is actually a noticeable movement away from insurance by some health care providers that he is a part of. He charges basically what my deductible would be per visit because after insurance he only makes about $5 a visit more per person and the extra admin cost to chase that money down is not worth the effort.

    And you were not enjoying the gangrape on the FTP thread? You kept going back so I thought you were enjoying it!:Poke::D
     
  10. ryoung57

    ryoung57 Off his meds

    My GP went to a no insurance model a few years ago for the same reason.
     
  11. Clay

    Clay Well-Known Member

    And as soon as you do every socialist snowflake will scream "Not fair!!! The rich, white privilege, elite get better care!!!"
     
  12. In Your Corner

    In Your Corner Dungeonesque Crab AI Version

    That's basically what Great Britain has now.
    Piss poor socialized medicine for the masses
    and private insurance for those with money
    or pull or union membership.
     
  13. ryoung57

    ryoung57 Off his meds

    There’s no other way. Everyone can’t afford top tier, and with total socialized healthcare, there’s no incentive for innovation.
     
  14. crashman

    crashman Grumpy old man

    And if we are smart we just say "take your free health care and fuck off". If there is a 2 tier system and they want to partake in the upper tier they can pony up for the supplemental insurance. If not they deal with the shortcomings of the free to them system.

    That was my complaint with the Canadian system. I was paying a shit ton in taxes that went towards the "free" health care but if me or anyone in my family needed to go to the doctor we ended up waiting in line behind the bums and losers that paid little to no taxes and were essentially getting a free ride.
     
  15. ryoung57

    ryoung57 Off his meds

    It HAS to be two tier to keep costs in check. Without some kind of a market to base pricing on, costs would run away because nobody cares when it’s “free”.
     
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  16. In Your Corner

    In Your Corner Dungeonesque Crab AI Version

    From each according to his ability.
     
  17. pickled egg

    pickled egg Tell me more

    Or prices will be stifled by underpayment by the "insurer", driving talent out and further exacerbating the shortage of qualified health care providers.
     
  18. In Your Corner

    In Your Corner Dungeonesque Crab AI Version

  19. ryoung57

    ryoung57 Off his meds

    The “shortage” you mention wouldn’t be as bad, or even exist if you unfucked the healthcare industry. If doctors were able to spend time with patients to coach them instead of acting like firemen coming in after the fact, there’d be fewer sick people and less pressure to run everyone through like cattle just to hope to find enough billable time to cover the bills.
     
  20. pickled egg

    pickled egg Tell me more

    I hope you're not asking me to defend our health care system in any way, shape or form.

    I stay out of it at all costs.
     

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