Danny Walker is 100000% correct

No. Last year, the guys/crew were hand-building parts to get those bikes ready.

 

Because they claim soerbikes are the “show” yet the are losing riders and teams.

Because supersport has 30 riders on average.

SX ain’t calling their 250 class the premier class.
Aft ain’t calling singles the premier class...

Fix the stars of the show and the rest will follow. Or don’t and keep watching teams disappear and keep closing your eyes and plugging your ears saying lalalalalalala.

 

Yamaha’s woes aren’t a MotoAmerica problem, they’re a motorcycle problem.

Same with Kawasaki

Same with Honda

They all produce Supersport bikes, yet there are no factory teams?

Why? They’re cheap to run compared to a Superbike. Have the same tv package / exposure.

This extends to the world stage.

MotoAmerica’s problem isn’t the rules, it’s the industry as a whole.

DMG did exactly what you guys are talking about, and the manufacturers wanted nothing to do with it and actually left in protest. Lol

 

Other venues are selling tickets and filling the stands. Those venues have full fields and full stands. You can look within, admit the problem and fix it...or struggle and possibly die.
For the record, I love roadracing and want to see it thrive. It's not. It's not even close. Flat track is growing and at worst, SX/MX is healthy.
Why is that?
Fix the show and the revenue will flow.

 

A single cylinder is way cheaper to run.

AFT Twins only has one factory involved.

 

Dirty Track is tailor made for TV and IMHO, should be bigger than TV jesus. It's 'merican as f@ck, exciting and the races are short enough to not miss anything with the channel flipper because he needs another beer.
It should be much bigger than it is.

 

Ehhhh 2, unless you were meaning running up front every single week.

 

Twins has more than one factory involved.
AND if a series with only one factory involved is kicking your ass, you have bigger problems than were thought.

Bad argument.

 

WTF does flattrack have to do with MA/RRF/Honda/Magnetti?

 

The recognized the current path wasn’t working, came up with a plan and have turned the series around. Now it’s making profit and thriving....

We are trying to point out WHY MA aid struggling and losing teams.

 

Going back to the original topic:

RRF Honda Superbike is consistently beaten by a Yamaha, Suzuki, and Kawasaki Superstock bikes without full electronics in 2017.

A privateer bike without the full electronics finds a win (and a few more chances at a win), poles, and podiums.

Another privateer with full electronics and a 4 man crew, develop a bike over the season and are consistent threats for victories, and score a few.

Honda’s kit ECU is a POS and dangerous.

Honda provides little support for the MM ecu. MM factory in Italy is unhelpful. RRF can’t get it to work with their guy.

When RRF had some flashes of speed on track, their riders put it into the gravel trap and got DNF’s.

Honda WSBK and BSB bikes are mid pack. Historically successful WSBK team had rug pulled out from under them by Honda as well.

This is all MotoAmerica’s fault somehow?

 

It's a series comparison to why AFT is growing and how.
If I read the article correctly, Road Race Factory team is leaving MA. If the costs were lower by virtue of not having exotic electronics and the staff to program them, then they may have been competitive, earned money, gained sponsors, hired riders for this year and continued.

 

Wow...you guys are pretty dense.
IF YOU REQUIRE A MANUFACTURER TO RUN OEM ELECTRONICS, THE OEM ELECTRONICS WILL BECOME BETTER IN ORDER TO BE COMPETITIVE...PERIOD.
You'll benefit from it, I'll benefit from it, and so will every Tom, Dick or Harry that wanders into a showroom.
On top of that, the manufacturer is picking up the development tab, not the race team...in many cases a privateer.

Lower fixed costs will raise participation and increase field size. That should promote better racing. Better racing should increase fans. Increased fans will increase cash flow to the series/teams/riders.
Right now save for a handful of guys in MA, the rest of the field is paying for rides or riding for free. Is that how "PRO" racing should be?

 

Okay. All the manufacturers have 600s. It’s everything you guys want it to be rule wise.

Superstock 1000 was the same.

Daytona Sportbike (or w/e it was) was all of this.

Where were the factories?

You guys think car racing is any different? Most pros are bringing their own money with personal sponsors... drag racing, sports cars, oval racing. It’s the same story. What’s happening in bike racing is the same everywhere.

Welcome to motor sports in the post 2008 world...

 

no. you're not talking to a reasonable, un-biased human. because one of those surely would've been lost at "roadracing a Honda"

 

Plus its more exciting and engaging for a larger %age of spectators to watch. People like seeing the big jumps and such, even for the uninformed fan. Most uninformed "fans" that would go to a pro road race cannot really appreciate what they are watching to the same extent.

 

Looking at the AFT rules it looks like it is pretty much run what ya brung other than they are very strict about what inputs are allowed to the electronics and the total exclusion of rider aids. Much more superbike than any of the Superbike classes. You can even build your own frames....

My opinion is that makes for better competition and increases interest.

 

600s are the undercard. Not even the fans are there to see the 600s. They are there to see the "show". They are there to see the "stars." Unfortunately, that show is a little weak right now handcuffed by expense and low factory unvolvement.

Real Pros in car racing are getting paid, not the other way around. There are certain paying drivers in all forms of racing. I make no illusion that Karel Abraham is paying for his ride in MotoGP (even though I think he's pretty talented). There have been rent a ride F1 drivers as well. Currently are some in Indycar. Sports Cars are full of them. Nascrap...not so much. Observe what series has solid ticket sales and revenue. Hint: It ain't IMSA...or whatever they're calling themselves this week.
Let me ask you this. If your business model requires uber wealthy customers to pay to play, do you think it's a well thought out plan providing your real source of desired income will come from selling ticket prices?
If so, I suggest you start selling tickets to basketball games at the Y and see how that works out. Should put the NBA out of business in no time.

 

A lot, I would say a majority of the revenue are not gate fees at most sporting events. It's mostly TV deal and marketing money.

 

Actually it isn't everything we want rules wise... The Yamamha’s are still on the stupid expensive ECU and rider aide crap. That is hurting the level of competition in that class also IMO. It DAMN sure kept us from going to that class when we went back racing and had something to domwith us quiting when we did in 2012. I was actually looking into building a GPS jammer when we quite just because of the excessive electronics.