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Charlottesville, VA

Discussion in 'The Dungeon' started by G 97, Aug 12, 2017.

  1. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    What in the world are you talking about? In case you got lost this is about putting up monuments to people on the losing side of a war, people who are currently unpopular with the majority of the country the monuments are in.
     
  2. britx303

    britx303 Boomstick Butcher…..

    As I already said,most of the people (around here anyways)that want the monuments taken down arent even from most of those places...........why does a community have to be told what they can have from people that have little to nothing to do with the place?
     
  3. britx303

    britx303 Boomstick Butcher…..

    The "winning" post was just a cheeky response to g97........forgot the smiley:p
     
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  4. TurboBlew

    TurboBlew Registers Abusers

    CARB is now after 2 stroke lawn equipment as its been deemed to be dangerous to the lives/lungs of operators that use them & the single biggest polluter in CA . No more ringa ding ding... they want "e powered-equipment" to be adopted immediately!
     
  5. G Costanza

    G Costanza Well-Known Member

    Just to clarify, I post the actual document written by the delegates of SC outlining how slavery is a reason they are seceding, and your response is that I must be a socialist because it cannot be true.

    Thanks for the input, but I'm not going to waste time with people who only make emotional replies to conversations that require logic and reason.
     
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  6. G 97

    G 97 Garth

    Winning at one moment in time Vs. the ultimate victor are not the same.
     
  7. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    Local governments are giving the orders. They are controlled by locals. If they went against what the locals wanted they'd be out of jobs next election. It's not outside influence doing this.
     
  8. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    It obviously was a reason for SC seceding - but come one now, do you really think politicians back then weren't pushing the buttons of their constituents just like the ones today do?

    It's easy to look at the overview of the war and see the causes - of which slavery was a part but not necessarily the main reason.
     
  9. G 97

    G 97 Garth

    Ultimate accountability is with the power of the locals. They might be receiving some outside influence or pressure but ultimately the decision falls into the hands of the locals. They are the ones who implement any change.
     
  10. G Costanza

    G Costanza Well-Known Member

    If I remember right, about a 1/3 of southern Whites owned slaves in 1860. I think they were representing their constituents.

    You could certainly claim that economy was the biggest reason for the war, but that economy cannot be seperated from slavery. I think we agree that it's more complex than any single issue though.
     
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  11. casjoker

    casjoker Refusing middle age

    Has any war been about one singular issue? Economics and religion seem to be the major two. Civil War was about economics with layers of states rights, slavery...etc all mixed in. Lee, as with many other Confederates, was a general for the America long before he sided with the South. May be that's why the statues and other things happened. They were not a foreign army but sons, brothers, and neighbors. I am sure as educated as Lee and others were they could look beyond slavery as being the main issue. Average joe was more about screw big bother they aren't going to tell me who I can own...I mean what I can do.

    More racist in the north than south has not been my experience. I guess YMMV
     
  12. britx303

    britx303 Boomstick Butcher…..

    So you mean to tell me all the foreigners that I see that are a major part of changing Lee Hwy up here arent an outside influence compared to the people that have been here for generations that have never had a problem with the names? :confused: Youre showing your northern roots:p
     
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  13. In Your Corner

    In Your Corner Dungeonesque Crab AI Version

    From PBS: The standard image of Southern slavery is that of a large plantation with hundreds of slaves. In fact, such situations were rare. Fully 3/4 of Southern whites did not even own slaves; of those who did, 88% owned twenty or fewer. Whites who did not own slaves were primarily yeoman farmers. Practically speaking, the institution of slavery did not help these people.

    From VFH: The 1830 U.S. census shows 3,776 free black slaveholders—or about 7.5 percent of all free blacks—owning a total of 12,907 slaves. In Virginia, 12 percent of all free blacks owned slaves, which translates into 950 heads of black families owning 2,235 slaves.

    So, evidently, they were representing black constituents also.
    The details get messy.
     
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  14. pickled egg

    pickled egg Tell me more

    Like they say, the victors write the history books.

    Too bad the tariffs were written down, too.
     
  15. G Costanza

    G Costanza Well-Known Member

    I think you need to be able to vote to be considered a constituent.
     
  16. Britt

    Britt Well-Known Member

    I'z done weldn up dem swingarms Boss, kin Toby have sum dinna now s'a?? Iz dat awrite wit ya s'a?.....fkn yankee bastids.
    :crackup::crackup:
     
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  17. In Your Corner

    In Your Corner Dungeonesque Crab AI Version

    It's not a requirement, it's one use of the word.

    constituency /kənˈstɪtʃəwənsi/ noun
    plural constituencies
    Learner's definition of CONSTITUENCY
    [count]
    1

    : a group of people who support or who are likely to support a politician or political party
    • the governor's conservative/liberal constituency
    • the party's core constituencies
    • Analysts say she has a good chance of being elected because she appeals to a broad constituency. [=many different kinds of people like her and will vote for her]
    2

    a : the people who live and vote in an area
    • The senator's constituency includes a large minority population.
    b British : a voting area : a district with an elected representative
    • He was elected to represent a Liverpool constituency.
    3

    : a group of people who support, are served by, or are represented by an organization, business, etc.
    • a corporation's constituency
     
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  18. G 97

    G 97 Garth

    :crackup:
    [​IMG]
     
  19. Britt

    Britt Well-Known Member

    But, Y'all WON.....you make the fkn rules.....remember.
     
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  20. In Your Corner

    In Your Corner Dungeonesque Crab AI Version

    It might be more interesting to consider how and why this confrontation in Charlottesville took place.
    The white supremacists had a legal permit to protest, upheld by court order.
    The authorities granted a permit for a counter protest right next to the first protest.
    They could have placed it at a considerable distance.
    Then there wasn't enough local police to handle the resulting mess, so a state of emergency was declared by the very left-wing governor before the first protest was scheduled to start.
    Convenient how that all worked out.
     
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