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Head shake causes

Discussion in 'General' started by SVandST, Jul 10, 2022.

  1. SVandST

    SVandST Well-Known Member

    I have a 2002 Yamaha FZ1 with about 43,000 miles. Great bike. Recently I noticed head shake if I took my hand off the bars when going straight down a smooth road. I didn’t used to have this at all. The front tires where pretty shot with some minor uneven wear so I figured this might be the cause. I put a brand new tire on and still have the issue. Any suggestions on what to troubleshoot?
     
  2. Evad101

    Evad101 Well-Known Member

    Check your steering head bearings for wear or looseness. Have you had your forks serviced? In an odd case, uneven fork wear can make it where one side is not providing enough suspension that can cause the uneven wear on the tire which can contribute.

    How is the rear shock, is it worn? If the rear is sagging more, it may have changed the geometry of the bike.

    Did you balance the wheel when you put new tires on?

    Have you made any other suspension changes at all recently since this has occurred?
     
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  3. TurboBlew

    TurboBlew Registers Abusers

    -head bearings/ stem tension
    -has the bike been crashed?
    -does the wheel spin freely on a front stand
    -caliper drag?
    -tweaked rotor
    -bad wheel bearings?
     
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  4. SVandST

    SVandST Well-Known Member

    No suspension changes but neither the forks nor shock have been service in a long time and are stock. No crashes. I changed and balanced the tires myself which I’ve done multiple times with no issues. The wheel spun easily and smoothly so I don’t thin wheel bearings are the problem. Rotors appeared straight when I checked them visually while balancing. No unusual caliper drag.

    I’m thinking I need to check the head bearings. I had a bad crash about 10 years ago at Nelson Ledges racing an R6 that went onto a tank slapper coming out of turn 3. Turned out the head bearings were loose.
     
  5. ducnut

    ducnut Well-Known Member

    Install All Balls tapered head bearings.

    Service the forks. Put the fork tubes in a lathe, check runout, and polish them while they’re in there. Install new upper and lower bushings, as well as new oil and dust seals.

    Service the shock.

    Pull the swingarm and check/service/replace the pivot bearings. Likewise, do the same with the shock linkage.

    Double-check tire balance on both ends. They should be of matching brand/model. Certain tire construction types are not compatible with each other.

    Beyond all this, double-check the FZ1 forums to see if the tires you’re using are a known problem for that bike.
     
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  6. gixxerboy55

    gixxerboy55 Well-Known Member

    That's an old bike, I had an older FZ1 the swing arm bearings were shot.
     
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  7. Linker48X

    Linker48X Well-Known Member

    and just because no one mentioned it, make sure your rear wheel is in straight.
     
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  8. Yama-saurus

    Yama-saurus Well-Known Member

    When I bought my '02 few years back, the PO had similar complaint as he just installed new tires.
    I'm not a "hands off the bars" rider, but tried it to verify and yup, shook like he said.
    I started by re-torquing the steering head bearing nut. Reassembled the top clamps and tightened top stuff.
    Then loosened front axle, fork pinch bolts and calipers, then did the fork bouncy thing, retightened in sequence.
    No shakes and wobbles since, so not sure if was steering bearing nut retorque of something was bound up from his tire swap.
     
  9. backbone

    backbone scarred for life

    ALL BALLZ bearings are junk btw. Get name brand tapered bearings from a bearing shop.
     
  10. gapman789

    gapman789 Well-Known Member

    I was thinking the same thing....They are widely hated in the UTV/SXS world.
     
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  11. In Your Corner

    In Your Corner Dungeonesque Crab AI Version

    Time for a new bike, now go grab a brewski.
     
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  12. Once a Wanker..

    Once a Wanker.. Always a Wanker!

    If you rode it too long with the steering bearing not adjusted, re-greased, etc, they can sometimes wear a 'notch' in the bearing race, in which they will need to be replaced.

    I have cured many wobbly bikes with careful steering head bearing maintenance.
     
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  13. ducnut

    ducnut Well-Known Member

    A LOT of the negative reputation of All Balls comes from the offroad crowd who ride it hard and put it away wet, perform zero maintenance, and judiciously use a pressure washer/car wash. Those guys are the worst and can potentially kill a business with their stories of blame, which is never their fault.

    I’ve used All Balls tapered head bearings in my last four bikes, 3 of which I still have, and have had zero problems.
     
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  14. backbone

    backbone scarred for life

    We started using them when they first came out. They were fine back then. Most rodrace bike would last at least 2-3 year without needing new ones. Now you are lucky to get a year out of them.
     
  15. gapman789

    gapman789 Well-Known Member

    Fortunately, i'm not one of those guys. I'm still running, original belt, wheel bearings, axles, u-joints, carrier bearing....I was running original ball joints and tie rods until i put 2" forward A-Arms on it this year and it was just easier to install new BJs and I had to use an upgraded tie rod kit with the A-Arms...'18 RZR XP Turbo.
     
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  16. Britt

    Britt Well-Known Member

    Highlighted the important neglect, that causes the short life.
     
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  17. Bruce

    Bruce Tuck & Roll

    The All Ballz tapered bearings I do NOT recommend for an R6. There is no channel for a punch like on a Suzuki, so if they ever need to come back out you're cutting the race.
     
  18. TurboBlew

    TurboBlew Registers Abusers

    A friend just bought a <1 yr old dirtbike with less than 10hrs that had the stem bearing rusted stiff. He noticed the front felt "stiff" on the test ride but figured the tire had lost air.
    After getting it home & doing the standard prep he took the triples apart to find the seized bearing. He called the prev owner and they had used a pressure washer & put the bike up.
     
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  19. Britt

    Britt Well-Known Member

    Run a small bead around the inside surface with a TIG welder and they come right out..everyone has a TIG in the garage right?? :)
     
  20. Bruce

    Bruce Tuck & Roll

    No, but that sure does beat dremeling a race out of a small hole.
     

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