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Did Synthetic Oil Kill a Suzuki DR-Z400SM (Super Motard)

Discussion in 'Tech' started by beathiswon, Apr 17, 2022.

  1. beathiswon

    beathiswon Well-Known Member

    OK, been riding over 50 years, studied more about oil for motorcycles than I can remember and I thought the "synth oil can harm some engines" myth had been put to death. BUT, a guy I know who said his Suzuki 400 single, supermoto engine "blew up", according to his mechanic, because he switched to Motul's best synth oil and he should only run non-synth. My friend is a very smart guy and has been riding/wrenching for a couple decades himself but believes the mechanic. Don't know the year of the bike or what "blew" in the engine but says the mechanic was adamant that the synth oil caused it and he won't believe anything else. I call BS, what say the wise forum members?
     
  2. TurboBlew

    TurboBlew Registers Abusers

    has the wrench been doing mechanics for 30 years?
     
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  3. beathiswon

    beathiswon Well-Known Member

    Ha, good question. The friend was a little lacking in info such as, what does he know about the mechanic and what exactly went wrong with the engine but that's all I got.
     
  4. Kurlon

    Kurlon Well-Known Member

    I'd find a new mechanic.
     
  5. beathiswon

    beathiswon Well-Known Member

    Good advice.
     
  6. TurboBlew

    TurboBlew Registers Abusers

    ask your friend if he volunteered the type of oil to the wrench. Theres a real easy way to tell for less than $35.
     
  7. beathiswon

    beathiswon Well-Known Member

    Yeah, unfortunately it happened a couple years ago so no oil specimens available.
     
  8. fastfreddie

    fastfreddie Midnight Oil Garage

    Of course it blew up. That low-revving, under-powered lump designed for light-duty street/trail riding could barely contain itself when subjected to the high-revving, most likely power-modded use as a racing machine. It became too high strung from the ease at which it rotated and reciprocated when fed the ultra-slick oil.
    So, yeah, it was the oil. :D
    <edit> Oops. Sorry. Tech forum...no shenanigans. My bad.
     
  9. beathiswon

    beathiswon Well-Known Member

    Ha ha. Well, now that makes perfect sense. Just too slick.
     
  10. fastfreddie

    fastfreddie Midnight Oil Garage

    I bet it was fast tho'! Just like a two-stroke, right up until the point it holes a piston.

    In the case of what was likely sustained high rpm operation in a four-stroke, I'd go with ignition problem. With high rpm valve float, possibly to the point of a shim displacing itself, a valve could have hit the piston, got bent and didn't fully seat. The spark plug couldn't fire the air/fuel mixture 'cause there wasn't any. Never mind the new dome configuration and other damage that may have preceded the ignition problem. :D

    I can't readily see any other explanation. Could have been lack of maintenance on the valves, too. A quality oil would have had zip to do with it.

    Of course, unless you see the damage, there's no telling what really happened.
     
  11. beathiswon

    beathiswon Well-Known Member

    I'm afraid we'll never know. I'm just trying to talk some sense into my friend but maybe he'll never believe it was anything but the oil.
     
  12. Pneumatico Delle Vittorie

    Pneumatico Delle Vittorie Retired "Tire" Guy

    Or maybe it was the BNG?
     
  13. sheepofblue

    sheepofblue Well-Known Member

    Depends is the oil fill hole on the right or left side of the engine?
     
  14. fastfreddie

    fastfreddie Midnight Oil Garage

    They musta been really bad but, for sure, graphics can kill a bike. No doubt. :D
     
  15. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    To answer the initial question - hell no it wasn't the oil. I ran full synthetic racing oil from a number of different brands depending on what I had on hand in mine and it lasted fine with my large ass on it doing 80 or more in interstates for an hour solid, running around in the mountains, a track day or two, and being raced by a number of different people.
     
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  16. bored&stroked

    bored&stroked Disclaimer: Can't spell

    It has. This thread is cringey.
     
  17. noles19

    noles19 Well-Known Member

    You could run that engine on mineral oil and it would last a while so something else is going on besides the oil
     
  18. CB186

    CB186 go f@ck yourself

    Ah, she was a pretty good old whore, too.
     
  19. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    She was indeed. Went on to do a number of dual sport rides out west after her racing days were over :D
     

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