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Job offer - How much to counteroffer?

Discussion in 'General' started by sharkattack, Sep 20, 2019.

  1. galloway840

    galloway840 Well-Known Member

    You said earlier in this thread that you've already counter-offered, right? Be careful of looking wishy washy or otherwise not knowing what you want or what you're doing. I've stopped negotiating with prospective new hires that did that to me.
     
  2. I went through this recently. It was in my same company, but a different position, and entailed a move to Copenhagen (permanently).

    IMO, what you counteroffer is partly determined by how happy you are at your current job.

    I was perfectly happy at my current job, so when it came to the discussion of salary, living expenses, etc...my demands were pretty extreme, even I can admit that. We almost came to a deal, it was close, but ultimately I turned it down. It was easy to do so, because I am happy doing what I do now.

    If I wasn't, I would have taken it.

    So it comes down to where you are in the scale of "I like my current job, it will cost you a lot to pull me way" or "I am ok here, but could be tempted to move...", or "this sucks ass, it wouldn't take much to get me to leave". If you are happy, go apeshit with your counteroffer.

    You don't want to sell yourself short. Which brings up another point, you have to know your value and how bad they want you. There have been a couple of times in the past that ive went down that route, and they have actually agreed with my (somewhat ridiculous) demands. But I was in a position where I knew they needed me more than I needed them.

    Every situation is different. But don't sell yourself short, especially if you are happy where you are.
     
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  3. sharkattack

    sharkattack Rescued pets over people. All day, every day

    I sent my counteroffer last night. Sorry if I was misleading or not clear on when I did. We’ll see what they say. I’m anxious to see if I get an offer from the place I have an interview with next Tuesday. This place will be a bit further to drive, but seems to be a great place to work from what I’ve been able to find out. Wish me luck, guys.
     
  4. auminer

    auminer Renaissance Redneck

    This brings up a question my wife has been bouncing around her head lately. Commute costs/value/worth...

    Her current position is a ~10 minute/4 mile each way commute during off-peak traffic hours. They're wanting her to take over & straighten out another division, but that's a 36 mile and probably an hour to 1.5 hour each way commute at peak traffic in DFW.

    It's not convenient to the DART system so it would be all driving. Parking would be no cost at either location.

    I've told her that I would estimate her time & vehicle value at $3 a mile for that commute, if not $4. We're talking about a low-6 figure job. Telecommuting is unfortunately not an option.

    Thoughts? Am I over or under estimating her commute value?
     
  5. Yzasserina

    Yzasserina sound it out

    My rough math translates to $25K per annum. Which she is likely not to get given low six figures currently. But that is strictly math. 20 minute commute vs. 2 to 3 hours equals double compensation at least. That is a serious lifestyle change, for your household. Dentist visits, other errands, goodbye...
     
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  6. Montoya

    Montoya Well-Known Member

    I'm not sure I'd even try and figure out by the mile. Years ago I had a similar commute in heavy traffic (1 1/4 mornings and 2-3 return in the evenings), and it was not something I'd ever willing partake in again. Just somethings to ponder or discuss together, no need for answers here. How significant of a raise will she be receiving, in order to straighten out the other division? Is there a performance bonus, if she is successful? What happens, if that division can't be straightened out? How much of an impact will that make on your families financial well being or goals? What is the reason that the other division is in disarray? Does she anticipate this as a permanent relocation? If she's successful, will they risk handing the division back to someone else? Will this better position her to further her professional career goals? If you start putting in long hours, between a 3 hour daily commute... how's the family and social life? If you have kids still in school, I personally wouldn't even consider it... but only you two know your financial situation.
     
  7. SuddenBraking

    SuddenBraking The Iron Price

    Too many variables not taken into account here. Is she trying to climb the corporate ladder or keep a job for the next decade until she retires? For instance, my buddy at J&J did this calculus and at 35 decided that the increase in future earnings was worth the shitty 18 months of a commute (that's how long their rotations are, generally).

    Personally, if I'm making ~$125K with a short commute it'd take a minimum of $160K to get me to piss 3 hours of my life down the toilet each day.
     
  8. Captain Morgan

    Captain Morgan Well-Known Member

    throw out a stupid number, they might take it,
     
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  9. I wouldn't do it for less than $350k.

    Dead serious.

    I just spent 2 weeks in Houston, and fuck me running. When I got close, the GPS said "11.2mi to your destination"...it took me 1hr40min to get there. I got so damn aggravated that I just stopped trying, and put the car on Autopilot and just followed the dude in front me.

    In Houston, you HAVE to do errands/etc between about 930am-1030am, or 130pm-3pm, or after 7pm. Even in those hours, it is a shitshow, but at least it is solid shit you can work with. Any time other than that, its full blown Hershey squirts and you cant do a damn thing with it.

    Fuck that shit. Getting on the road at 5am just so you can avoid (the worst) traffic, then fighting that shit again after a long day. Nah, they can eat a dick.
     
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  10. eggfooyoung

    eggfooyoung You no eat more!

    I must be a spoiled mofo. Most of my work commutes are less than 15 minutes, with no highways. IF I have to get on the highway for a job, we're starting early, and staying late so we can get the thing done. And I'm bitching the whole time at work. :D
     
  11. t500racer

    t500racer Never Fails To Fail

    Ironic that this is also the exact cost of racing..:D
     
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  12. Critter

    Critter Registered

    I had a candidate I a made an offer to, he accepted the offer then he called me back the next day and told me he needed more money, because his wife told him he needed to make more money.....
    Needless to say I pulled the offer off the table, and never spoke to him again.....
     
  13. OGs750

    OGs750 Well-Known Member

    Brining the two job hunting threads full circle, how do you go about letting your current employer make a counter without them knowing that you're planning on leaving?

    Say I interview with employer B and they offer me a 25% raise, how do I let my current employer know that I've received said offer and give them a chance to counter without being let go on the spot?
     
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  14. Critter

    Critter Registered

    Well, just tell them you have a better offer and resign. If you are banking on your current company counter offering to make you stay, that's a bad bet. If they counter offer to make you stay, then why were they not giving that to you while you were there.

    From an employers stand point if any of my employees come to me and say they are leaving then I escort them out the door right then.
     
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  15. britx303

    britx303 Boomstick Butcher…..

    Around here if you immediately walk people out the door for seeking to simply better yourself then the company begins to get a bad reputation. Both with clientele and skilled workers. For us it was not that cut and dry to just “walk” people out as much as we may have wanted to at times.
     
  16. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    They weren't giving that because most of em are as cheap as they can get away with :D
     
  17. Montoya

    Montoya Well-Known Member

    Some people have success with that... most do not. Employment data shows that most employees who ask for and accept a counter offer, end up leaving in the near future (voluntary/involuntary).
     
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  18. ChemGuy

    ChemGuy Harden The F%@# Up!

    You can sit down and discuss your value, compensation, job performance and potential future, promotion path, etc. without "saying" I have better offer. If they dont seem to value you or even get that you are thinking of bolting then its probably time to go.
     
  19. Critter

    Critter Registered

    I agree 100% with this statement,

    The reason I walk people out the door and many corporations do this is for security reasons..... Also I have been in sales and when people resign many times the company does not want them out there with their name on them while they trash their current employer or try to take people with them....
     
  20. Captain Morgan

    Captain Morgan Well-Known Member

    My stepdad did that for years. He spent 4 hours of his day driving back and forth to a job he didn't like. He might not of known it but he taught me a lesson.
     
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