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Fork Seal Replacement Question

Discussion in 'Tech' started by 1bronco, May 26, 2019.

  1. 1bronco

    1bronco Well-Known Member

    So I'm redoing my seals/oil, Sachs USD from a Tuono, and running into a problem. Turned preload all the way out, undo fork cap, slide the sleeve down, but with the sleeve down I only get to the two holes on the preload pipe. No spring exposed like there should be. Any thoughts?
     
  2. Banditracer

    Banditracer Dogs - because people suck

    Don't specifically know those forks but they sound like most other inverted. What you're seeing is right, you need a special tool. It's a ring with 2 pointed threaded handles that drops over the tube, thread the points into the holes, this gives you handles to compress the spring to get to the lock nut to unthread the cap. Hope that makes sense, to lazy to look for a pic.

    Got ambitious, here ya go.
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    Last edited: May 26, 2019
  3. 1bronco

    1bronco Well-Known Member

    Thanks bandit. I have that tool and have done other forks, but that's what is confusing me. With the preload out and the sleeve down I can access those two holes, but they are at the very top of the sleeve and dont allow to compress down any further. I expected another inch of space so I could compress and access the lock nut to get the cap off.
     
  4. Banditracer

    Banditracer Dogs - because people suck

    Sorry, hope you're not insulted, I got the impression you were new at it.
     
  5. Spitz

    Spitz Well-Known Member

    Maybe a special compression tool allow you to engage the holes but go down into the upper tube to give you that compression? Gotta pic?
     
  6. 1bronco

    1bronco Well-Known Member

    Not insulted, just haven't seen it like this before and the service manual doesn't mention it. I'll get a better picture tomorrow but it looks like your normal setup but where the tool engages is right at the sleeve top not with no extra gap. This picture is right out of the manual but I've shaded in where my fork sleeve is. Someone else suggested that aprila used old pictures or there was a special tool, but I haven't been able to confirm either.

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  7. Spitz

    Spitz Well-Known Member

    Weird, or maybe someone fucked up and put the sleeve in upside down? I know what i'd do, but i don't know if its a good idea or not.
     
  8. TWF2

    TWF2 2 heads are better than 1

    Is there bolt in the bottom of fork. If yes undo it and take complete cartridge out.
     
  9. 1bronco

    1bronco Well-Known Member

    Could be, I mean it is aprilia Haha. I'm going to pull the other leg in the morning and see if it's set up in the same orientation.
     
  10. Spitz

    Spitz Well-Known Member

    The bottom of the cartridge does have machined flats, but i dunno if that completely solves the issue? How do you set the oil level after servicing? Time for a service manual methinks.
     
  11. 1bronco

    1bronco Well-Known Member

    Here is a better picture, this is the other fork which is identical. You can see where the tool would go, but the holes are not usable for anything that I can tell. I have the factory service manual, which of course has a picture using this tool but with an inch or two of spring showing.

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  12. CBR723

    CBR723 Well-Known Member

    Well I see two different pics and two diff setups. The second has a 3 inch or so chrome tube which looks like a preload spacer. Your first pic does not have it in there. Am I correct and is that intentional?
     
  13. 1bronco

    1bronco Well-Known Member

    The first one is straight out of the service manual for my year bike, the second one is my actual fork. Another member on an Aprilia forum verified their fork internal looked the same as mine. It's possible that Aprilia used pictures from the older gen sachs fork and that the spacer was added to the newer ones. There just does not seem to be any info on the "official" way to compress it.
     
  14. RM Racing

    RM Racing Tool user

  15. 1bronco

    1bronco Well-Known Member

    Even that compressor would not work because the holes cannot be used to compress the spring any further.
     
  16. CBR723

    CBR723 Well-Known Member

    You might do what TWF2 suggested and take whole cartridge out. Expose entirely then take apart. Usually need a tool to hold cart from spinning when loosening at bottom but you might get lucky. Have done it in the past.
     
  17. 1bronco

    1bronco Well-Known Member

    I might as a last resort. I can not find the chrome spacer in any of the parts fiches either for that fork.
     
  18. Spitz

    Spitz Well-Known Member

    Shouldn't need a tool, the cartridge wont spin. Pull it out and see whats up. I wonder if spacers were installed incorrectly.
     
  19. stangmx13

    stangmx13 Well-Known Member

    can u pull up on the cap? if theres a long top-out spring, maybe ull get some access to the nut.
     
  20. 1bronco

    1bronco Well-Known Member

    Just wanted to follow up in case some other poor soul googles and is looking for the answer. It was confirmed the service manual uses old photos. The sachs fork on this bike has little internal preload, you have to push the chrome tube down by hand to access the lock nut. Kind of a PITA doing it with one set of hands, but was able to get it all completed.
     

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