Trying to get a bike set up for next year and have been starting to research quick fill options for a gas tank. I have reached out to Chris Parrish and he is going to do the tank expansion and install a quick fill ring. He mentioned that most use the Red Head dry break systems so I am trying to get as much info as possible from those that have been through this before. I see a lot of people use the aluminum filler jugs but I was curious if there is any disadvantage to using a plastic tank like this? Or will these tanks even work on the double dry break that I see is used. https://fuelsafe.com/dump-can-fueling-bottle/ Thanks in advance for any information.
Plastic tanks work. Our plastic single dry break jug dumps 5 gallons in about 7-8 seconds. It's all in the venting. You have to get the air out to get the fuel in.
You'd really have to have the rest of your pit stops dialed to make a double dry break worthwhile... as Cop said, a single with a plastic jug is plenty fast and what most use.
https://www.imsproducts.com/Products/index.cfm?ProductType=1Fueling+Systems We have a single dry break and the 4 gallon can and as Tristan said, it's pretty fast. (Holds closer to 5 gallons if you fill it to the very top) They have a larger can as well.
That’s all good information. With the single break is the venting is built into the inlet? Trying to get a better understanding of how the two different setups work. Thanks all.
If you go to the IMS page you can see the single probe for sale and how there is a vent line coming out of it and going up from it a couple feet. So yes there is a vent line in it to the top of the tank. If you cant find a used setup that IMS single set up is the cheapest ive seen for that style of dry break setup. And its about $600 for tank, probe and receiver.
As I read this the thought came to me. If you had one of those aluminum can't instead of a vent on top you could put a schrader valve and pressurize what air gap you have in there. Assuming enough it put in that it wouldn't create a vacuum while dumping you could theoretically fill faster than gravity alone would allow. I'm sure it would be super safe too.
Mike, pressurized refueling setups are not permited per WERA rules. (Means you were not the first to think about this...)
I see PM Chicanes (race version I think?)... Question to all of you that have done the endurance thing, is the quick fill really necessary for groups that are doing it for fun and extended seat time etc?
Only needed if you are serious about winning and there are others who also are serious about winning in your same class...
FYI, it took about 19 seconds for us to change a rear tire. Using a 5 gallon VP jug, outfitted with a 90 degree ball valve (to let air into the jug) and a Tuff Jug cap, we were able to fuel the tank in about 15 seconds. The slowest portion of our equation was the rear tire change. Running a 2015 R1 at Pitt-Race, we had to change the rear tire every other stint. And a stock tank only got us 40 minutes per stint.
Understood. Let me be clear, not intimating it's unnecessary. I'm bolting together a 1G from spares and hope to try a round or two this year with some friends. I've never tried endurance racing before, so not hopeful about winning but at the same time want to secure the needed stuff to be prepared and as competive as can be. EDIT - but also don't want to spend on things that aren't necessary.
That leads me to another question. Are the systems pretty fail safe and user friendly? Crew is going to be paid in beer so want to limit the the chance for barbecue to go with the beer.