For the FTP's amongst us

My changes made it "absolutely incorrect" for you. Perception is my whole point.

This discussion today (and almost always in FTP thread) dances all over race, perception of racial relations and Obama is still a daily topic here as well. Obama is often cast as "The Great Divider" with regard to race relations primarily by people who saw the election of a black president as the ultimate signifier that we had transcended our racist past while a whole other swath of the population saw a black president as an opportunity to finally address racism in our country beyond just making it illegal.

Have we merged our Cold War history with the Russians into one unified perspective since we're 30 years past it's end? The Russians still don't agree with the American government's account even if we're more friendly to each other - just like cops and brown people.

 

Just like cops and overwhelmingly any people who show disdain for LEO and break the law regardless of color. Why is this even a conversation about color. The conversation should be centered around criminals of any skin color.

 

Sean, since I became politically aware during the Kennedy/Johnson administration I cannot remember a single President becoming personally involved in any civil matters until Obama and Trump came along. Both of those seem to be willing to start popping off before any actual facts are revealed.

 

Because you want to make this issue black and white (not racially) and ignore that there can be multiple perceptions of the same information without any of them having to be incorrect or inaccurate. I believe police/minority relations are better than in our past just as you assert. I believe less police are corrupt today just like I believe less businessmen are corrupt today.

G's original comment didn't say things were worse for cops, just that a war on police could exist, as it has in his opinion, without an increase in incidents. I didn't disagree and I also said nothing about anything being "worse" for people of color. I simply said (as he did) that a climate exists to perceive ongoing threat from the opposite side as well.

 

Wow! Are you honestly going to defend a bunch of hooligans that were breaking the law and then blaming the police for their tactics to get their asses off the public streets? Does that describe your level of being a responsible citizen? Does it piss you off just as badly when the police have to use the pitt maneuver to stop a car that will not stop when ordered? What's so special when the person is riding a bike? They're still breaking the law and they can still hit and kill someone else. Does that matter?

 

Ya got me there. Of course, weren't both of those involving national events and Federal laws?

 

Cmon Orvis, I know you've heard of the apple/tree analogy.....

 

Sometimes LE is between a rock and a hard place when it comes to releasing video showing facts before the investigation is completed and the case goes to court. Jury tainting is a real issue that a smart defense atty can use in court.

 

Yeah, unfortunately it's a truism that's really true.

 

Sean, the only comment that I would make on your comment about cell phones is this. People have a tendency to be lazy and have always been that way to a large extent so, during the years of racial growth, for example, people had to go to some effort to become personally involved in the fight whereas today, just about anyone can whip out their phone and send their own opinions to everyone everywhere. They don't even have to get up off the sofa to "be involved."
What do ya think?

 

because they're probably going to die or be seriously injured and the guy in the car won't be.

 

My stomach is turning but I have to agree with Shittypants. Pitting a bike is not the same as Pitting a car. The Pitt Maneuver is taught as a "relatively" safe way to incapacitate a car for everyone involved and end the chase. That simply is not the case for a bike. You punt a guy off a bike at speed on the highway and there's a really good chance you'll kill him. You might as well lean out the window and shoot him in the back.

 

Agreed. If you’re responding to me. I never said it wasn’t stupidity before obama. Chino just made it seem like obama didn’t add fuel to the fire.

 

https://gizmodo.com/cops-use-coin-toss-app-to-decide-whether-to-arrest-woma-1827625396

Women....they are equal. Equally as dumb as anyone else.

 

It was like a battle of stupid between two cops and a perp. The cops won the stupid battle but lost the war.

 

https://abcnews.go.com/US/video-captures-police-opening-fire-suspects-pursuit/story?id=56633284

Nice reload Wyatt Earp, you fucking twat. I feel real safe about this with the 16% accuracy rate...