What caliber for Bison?

It is tough balance all the way around. Whitetail deer are much, much more abundant today than a couple hundred years ago and before, because they have adapted so well to the habitat we created with urban areas and farming practices. I think coyotes are more abundant too than ever before. Wolves really effect the natural balance, but people want tons of deer, so they hate wolves.

 

Disney did it.

 

literally none of that is true btw. just sayin...

 

. . .or it could be another way to personally verify just what that "organic" label means. . .

 

That person has serious facial deformities.

 

They just bulldozered (spelling?) the entrance of my apts.
Lots of trees,and the deer use to cross over to the power lines here.
It happens everywhere,and leaves the deer no where to go,then we start hitting them in cars.
I came home around 3 am and a small herd was standing on the sidewalk looking at the construction
fence,and trying to decide where to go.
Felt bad for them.
I showed deer a picture of this Indian dude fro the 70's,and the deer licked my hand,and slowly walked into traffic.

None of them died though,you can't kill a deer with a car.

 

From about 1700 to 1900, deer population declined drastically. New laws and such began an increase thereafter, bringing the population back today to where it was estimated to be before Europeans started pouring in.

 

You sure about that?

 

see above. its pretty easy to find information.

and coyotes and wolves have been obliterated, and even the recent quasi-hardly-come-back has people's feathers ruffled. fuck yo cows, wolves are dope.

 

Really?
Whitetail;
http://www.huntingnet.com/articles/the-history-of-whitetail-deer.html

http://www.deerfriendly.com/decline-of-deer-populations

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White-tailed_deer

Pretty much the top few Google results for "historical whiterail populations" support my statement.

Coyotes;

Never found east of the great plain before European settlers.
https://www.google.com/search?ei=5X...3i30k1j0i13i5i30k1j30i10k1.0.Ogx3tjuLNtc&rlz=

http://www.nature.com/news/rise-of-the-coyote-the-new-top-dog-1.10635


OK, so show me where my statement was "literally untrue".

 

IME animal rights fanatics know positively zero about wildlife management. They go by emotion. Damn the facts and the data.

 

Yup

Yup, about 10% of the population funds about 90% of the funding for both game and non-game wildlife management.

 

The irony of talking about management as a necessity, arising from human intervention in the first place, is amusing to me... but keep going...

Nature seems to do just fine if it was just left alone in the first place, BUT since we're here now... i guess the socially acceptable amount if [insert animal here] is the name of the game.

Thanks for moving into the predator's home, killing said predators, then killing the things that the predator used to eat down to a level that doesn't annoy you, and patting yourself on the back for it.

 

So humans aren't part of nature?

 

Top of the food chain.

 

I don't think anyone on this forum took part in the attempted extermination of wolves, coyotes, cougars and bobcats, or the slaughter of millions of deer for the market. There was no conservation back then. No studies of animals, just knee jerk reactions.

 

This isn't aimed at anyone in particular.In Ga. weve got an abundance of coyotes.We have more now,than I can ever remember.
Wild hogs have made it big here too.The Armadillo has just recently made its way into N.Ga.
I'm recently seeing those things mooshed on the side of the road.
People have messed with lots of animals success,and decline around here.
Coyotes I have to say are the worse,hogs a close 2nd.Coyotes take a lot of pets,and farm animals.
The hogs just tear the shit out of all property they come in contact with,and breed like rats.
I cant wait til we get Elk to run over! If I'm gonna tear something up,It needs to be on a bigger animal!

 

The locals around here believe the coyotes were brought in by the lumber companies in order to control the deer and keep them from destroying the new growth...

 

not true

I shot a coyote that had a GPS collar on it which the university of Georgia was doing a study on coyote movement , habits and trying to figure out best practices of control.... because of abundance . I hunt in Alabama

We employ a wildlife biologist and can ask him the updated numbers on everything if this thread is still going in oct /nov next time I'm home but I don't care that much to prove anyone online wrong so I'll probably forget