The Formula One Thread

Or implement a way to control speed, ala the VSC.

 

And that silly flip-flop would not have saved Jules anyway...just a stupid knee jerk reaction to a phantom "problem" that needs to be corrected. How many F1 drivers have lost there lives in the last two decades that this would have saved them? Zero.

 

It might have saved Senna.

 

Senna's death was over two decades ago and technology didn't exist material wise, BUT his death did bring about a very good change to the suspension tethering to keep that from happening again (and it has) without closing in the cockpit. This stupid flip-flop is a joke.

So who in the last two decades died that this flip-flop would have saved them? Zero.

 

How do they remove a car without the lift? That was a very unfortunate accident, but he lost control of his car under a yellow, then travelled across a runoff area before he hit. Who knows if this halo would've prevented his injuries, but you can't stop trying to make these cars safer.

 

Not Formula 1 but open wheel racing - Henry Surtees.

 

Massa didn't die but the spring that hit his head messed him up pretty good. He was useless for a couple of seasons. Maybe a halo would have deflected it, maybe not. But it wouldn't have hurt to have one.

 

The flip-flop could have deflected it into his chest and killed him or up and out of harms way...still no reason to implement something that is not needed. Those drivers are well aware of the dangers and are paid VERY well to take those risks...not like they are being forced to race.

 

So what? Just because they are paid well, they shouldn't care about safety? They are not paid to take unnecessary risks, they are paid for their skills.

 

And how long ago was

So what you ask?
Risk vs reward...they take the risk and are rewarded very well. If they were not paid to to take UNNECESSARY risks, they would never step foot IN a race car. Racing at any level IS dangerous...and the flip-flop is not going to diminish that fact and may even contribute to the risk due to less visibility....you are putting an object in their field of view...like that is smart. smh

 

2009.

You can shake your head all you want, it's not going to make you right. How does your risk/reward model work with the IOM TT? Based on your logic, they should be paid a hell of a lot better than MotoGP racers. And if all risks are the same in a race car (i.e. no such thing as unnecessary risks), why did they get to the conclusion that an exposed upper body with no seatbelts was possibly not conducive to a reasonable life expectancy? Why bother with all the changes they've made to safety regulations over the past 50 years? After all, they are paid very well.

 

Besides the fact that they make the cars look shitty and seem to be straying from the open cockpit concept, there are enough teams, drivers and former drivers against the halo that I would think that its implementation should be revisited. It is funny what people can push thru by playing the "safety" card.

 

Just to be clear, I'm not a supporter. I'm just not against it because it's on my ass risking my life in those cars. If the drivers don't want it, I'm fine with it. The cars will look better without it. But the notion that they should shut up about safety just because they are paid well is retarded.

 

2009 was not F1...please pay attention. That was GP2 and that is a totally different car and not as skilled driver...the wheel tether BROKE (remember that was a feature added because of Senna crash), it failed allowing it to hit Surtees and that halo would not have saved him from that either. The impact of that wheel to the cockpit at that speed is too great.
That was just his day to leave this earth.

The risk/reward model is not just monetary...so your attempt to discredit are moot. Again, we are speaking F1 in an F1 thread...please pay attention and keep up.

 

I think I hate it not only because it looks bad, but its a solution looking for a problem.

I'm sure they've tested it like crazy, but having that single mounting point on the nose puts a huge leverage point right at the drivers legs. How will that affect the 'safety pod'? Thinking back to Alonsos crash where he went rolling into the gravel and into the tire wall, he got out and walked away without a scratch. Would that halo have dug in and made it worse? Ripped off and damaged the saftey pod? Smashed straight down between his legs?

 

I'm pretty sure the halo has been built and tested specifically to protect against loose wheel impacts. Looking for an article now.

Most articles list Surtess, Wheldon, Wilson, and Massa as incidents where this would have likely helped.

 

I think that halo idea might work better on an Indycar, where there's a wall not far from the racing line. I can think of a few deaths where the driver's helmet actually made contact with the wall...Weldon, Brayton, but it's been a few years.

Maybe the halo would've helped Justin Wilson, a piece of debris hit his helmet during a race.

 

Sweet baby Jesus, I love failed attempts at being a smartass. When Robin mentioned Surtees, he already said that it wasn't F1. Post #2306. Try reading it again slowly. I didn't think I needed to repeat it for the slow kid. And while I'm helping you with this, it was not GP2. That series didn't run at Brands Hatch. It was a Formula 2 race, which ran concurrently with the GP2 series that has now taken over its name.

So, about keeping up and paying attention…

 

Who said or even implied that?