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HRC MotoGP and MM

Discussion in 'General' started by iomTT, Jun 16, 2015.

  1. flyboy

    flyboy Well-Known Member

    points were an issue too. If he didn't win last week, winning every race for the remainder of the season wouldn't have guaranteed a championship. He had to close the gap and was willing to risk crashing out to achieve that.
     
  2. Maybe MM hasn't really learned how to be a great development rider yet. Until these recent problems, the Honda fit his style pretty well from day one, so perhaps there hasn't been much need for him to learn how to developme a Moto GP bike.
     
  3. flyboy

    flyboy Well-Known Member

    According to David Emmett at Motomatters, testing at Speang may have masked the issue due to the nature of he track and high ambient temps robbing the motor of HP. Also, isn't Stoner the premier HRC test rider? He claimed to know what's wrong with the Honda in a recent interview but wouldn't say what the problem is. Did HRC listen to his input?
     
  4. 600 dbl are

    600 dbl are Shake Zoola the mic rula

    Not sure if it was the same article however, I read that they would not adjust the settings on his bike.
     
  5. charles

    charles The Transporter

    For what it is worth…I remember reading many times over, reported from different riders, that the Japanese really don't listen to the riders…once they get the bike to where they think it should be, they keep it right there and won't make the changes. Could this be possible in 2015? Maybe not, maybe it's a thing from the past... To think that MM is somehow suddenly incapable of winning is nuts, the guy has all sorts of skill! Could it be that other riders/teams have just stepped up to the plate and now it's a bit more difficult for MM to dominate? Or is it a combination of factors leading to what we are seeing now on the track?
     
  6. sdiver

    sdiver Well-Known Member

    It's not a coincidence (imho) that MMs domination ended when Yamaha got the seamless gearbox. As has been pointed out the Honda has not gotten slower, the other factories are getting faster.

    He simply had a better bike now he doesn't. He pushes too hard and is making young mistakes.
     
  7. SPL170db

    SPL170db Trackday winner

    Are you sure that that's the Japanese or the Italians? I seem to recall that during the 2012 season Honda built a whole new chassis for the RC that they brought out mid-season. And at the same time Rossi was asking for all sorts of changes to the Ducati and all they gave him was like a set of new rearsets lol.

    http://world.honda.com/MotoGPreport/2012/2012review/
     
  8. stk0308

    stk0308 Well-Known Member

    It's funny, but I seem to recall 'everyone' said that same basic thing about Lorenzo not that long ago. "It's all in his head". "He's mentally done in". *shrug*
     
  9. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    It's all of them.
     
  10. HPPT

    HPPT !!!

    It has been said many times over the years about Honda engineers. Very few guys were able to dictate what they wanted. Mick Doohan comes to mind. Rossi as well, most likely, but that's just me guessing.
     
  11. Hawk518

    Hawk518 Resident Alien

    I believe you nailed down the only two that were successful at it.
     
  12. I think there is definitely some truth to this. :up: I believe the 2015 Honda is a bit tougher for him to ride, but the main factor in current championship standings is that Yamaha and Ducati have made big improvements.


    Yamaha seems to listen to their factory riders.
     
  13. spcassell

    spcassell Well-Known Member

    Winner winner chicken dinner. The seamless tranny was good for up to a full second on certain tracks. Now that everyone has some sort of that technology its kinda leveled the playing field. Like you said, the Honda is not slower it's just that the other factories have caught up.
     
  14. backcountryme

    backcountryme Word to your mother.

    Sometimes it is really hard to get engineers to realize that what works on paper doesn't always work on pavement.
     
  15. iomTT

    iomTT Well-Known Member

  16. tireman

    tireman New Member

    Could history be repeating itself? Look at what happened the last time stoner led the development of a bike(Ducati).
     
  17. I'm not biting on that bait! I don't think Stoner is leading the development of the Honda, but rather just offering additional feedback from a third world class rider.
     
  18. Knotcher

    Knotcher Well-Known Member

    So stoner is a third-world class rider?

    interesting...
     
  19. Lazy Destroyer

    Lazy Destroyer Well-Known Member

    LOL I had to re-read it too
     
  20. iomTT

    iomTT Well-Known Member

     

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