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Marquez 2nd arm surgery

Discussion in 'General' started by notbostrom, Aug 3, 2020.

  1. Knotcher

    Knotcher Well-Known Member


    Meh, none of that holds any water. Back in the day I had a nasty left handed move to the rim off the left block towards baseline. I almost never used it because most couldn't stop the right hander. Mostly because of all the power I could generate from all the bench pressing I had done.

    Marc/q doesn't need to wait behind people to figure them out very often but that doesn't mean he can't.
     
  2. G 97

    G 97 Garth

    When you have won as many races at the level that MM has, you have racecraft. It's not even debatable.
     
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  3. nd4spd

    nd4spd Well-Known Member

    Yamaha isn't winning the championship this year. They've had 2-3 engine failures. Vinales has already put all 5 of his to use. Not sure about Fabio's allocation. Most everyone else has only touched 3 of their engines. There are 11-12 more rounds to go. The allocation is reduced from 7 engines to 5 because of the shortened season. We'll probably see some Yamahas start from pit lane by the last part of the season at this rate.
     
  4. redtailracing

    redtailracing gone tuna fishin'

    In the last 2 seasons, Marc has had 12 finishes where he was battling for the win and the winner was determined by less than 1 second, so basically it was a battle to the finish. Nobody just got outright outpaced. Of those 12, Marc lost 7 of them. Of the 5 he won, 3 of them were against a rookie Fabio on an underpowered machine.

    Yes Marc wins a lot of races. And he usually does it by getting to the front at all costs and simply outpacing everyone. But history would suggest that if it's going to be a close finish, especially against a rider with a strong strategic game, it is more likely that Marc does not come out on top.
     
  5. Prospect

    Prospect Hayai

    Racecraft definition: The total of a racer's skill (craft) along dimensions including: practicing, qualifying, starts, beginning, mid-race and end-race pace, passing, wear equipment usage, and pit strategy.

    Redtail is half right. Marquez doesn't strategize, at least nowhere near as much or as good as the likes of Dovi.....(yes because he doesn't need to, but it doesn't change that fact). With that said, devising a strategy, studying your opponents strengths/wekanesses is part of racecraft but it is not all of racecraft. Your ability to be consistent, manage your tires, play mindgames is also part of racecraft and I think it's safe to say Marquez has the those 3 in bucketloads.
     
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  6. redtailracing

    redtailracing gone tuna fishin'

    My buddy and I had this conversation recently and ultimately determined that our definitions of race craft were different. And I suspect that may be part of where my disagreement comes into play here. While I absolutely understand the importance of practice and qualifying, I've always thought of race craft as what happens in the race and your ability to strategize against other riders when your outright speed isn't enough on its own. And I see pace and race craft as two different elements of racing. I guess the simplest definition for the way I perceive race craft is your ability to battle heads up with other riders when all the other factors result in your paces being equal.
     
  7. SGVRider

    SGVRider Well-Known Member

    I think he’s referring to a single aspect of racecraft. The head to head variety you put on when someone else has the same speed as you. Obviously racecraft in totality starts before the weekend (or season) even begins right up until you cross the finish line.

    Back when, GOATboy himself didn’t have to use a ton of (head to head) racecraft either because he was so much faster than the field he didn’t need it. When he did do that type of racecraft it was of the same chargey bargey variety as Marc.

    Now that everyone has caught up with him, he turned into one devious bastard. The end of Assen 2015 was one of the most beautiful things I’ve ever seen. Unfortunately he’s usually not fast enough anymore to use his crafty tactics at the pointy end.

    Marc’s racecraft vis a vis other riders is strategic. If someone challenges him he divebombs, berms then, or chops their wheel until they fuck off. He’s beating them not only in the moment, he’s intimidating them into not challenging him. It’s worked on everyone on the grid save Fabio, Valentino and Dovi to some extent. Unfortunately Dovi isn’t consistent enough to always challenge him, and Valentino isn’t fast enough to be near him.

    Fab’s our only hope.

    I’m not writing off Mav, but I think Qboy has a substantial mental edge on him. I think Mav will come a close but not razor thin 2nd in the ‘ship.
     
    Last edited: Aug 4, 2020
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  8. Mongo

    Mongo Administrator

    Pace is an essential part of racecraft, you can't do anything with your racecraft if you do not factor your pace into it. To me racecraft is everything from the mental to the physical, on and off track.
     
  9. BHP41

    BHP41 Calling out B.A.N. everyday

    I didn’t think him and Rossi were on speaking terms?
     
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  10. notbostrom

    notbostrom DaveK broke the interwebs

    Yes but is he a pro racer
     
  11. 2blueYam

    2blueYam Track Day Addict

  12. cav115

    cav115 Well-Known Member

  13. Phl218

    Phl218 .

    you can't break a ti-plate by opening a door.
     
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  14. 2blueYam

    2blueYam Track Day Addict

    All depends on how thin the TI plate is, was the plate was already stressed / cracked, how big & heavy the door is, how you use your arm to open the door, etc.
    ...

    Or how big a liar Puig is. :D
     
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  15. SGVRider

    SGVRider Well-Known Member

    What a fucking load of completely disingenuous horseshit. The plate didn’t break because he opened a door. The plate broke because Marc tried to ride a 300 HP motorcycle at full tilt boogie with only the plate holding his arm together, then when he got home he decided to get back into weightlifting right away. If it broke from opening a door it was only after the other 10000 fatigue events he subjected it to. The plate could’ve broken from Marc vigorously whacking off at that point.

    Nice try, Puig. Puigbag must have had a lot of fun with this whopper, I know I would’ve.
     
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  16. Nic

    Nic Well-Known Member

    Terrified Now!, "Would you get that door for me Hun?"

    The risks our women never give us credit for taking.
     
  17. JCW

    JCW Well-Known Member

    puig makes my skin crawl...
     
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  18. britx303

    britx303 Boomstick Butcher…..

    FWIW those plates can bend/brake easily when the bone still hasn’t fully healed. I bent up mine in my forearm being impatient a few years back after a nasty highside.
     
  19. tzrider

    tzrider CZrider

    I like Puig. He's the 'meanie' character in this silly television show. All he needs is a black hat.
     
  20. dsapsis

    dsapsis El Jefe de los Monos

    Agree. Give him a tiny thin mustache and he's a regular Boris Badenov.
     
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