Brake Question

[Bill Cole]

I have a 97 TZ. I run the Nissan set up with a new Brembo Stainless rotor. I have a set of EBC HH pads in now. They work good but what would give me harder braking and better feel? When I mounted the rotor I had almost 2 weekends before the pads cut into the rotor enough to get rid of the machine marks. What I do like is that I have ZERO drag. Some others will back me on this. I mean it will turn for 30-40 seconds easily. Like to keep this feature if possible.
What are the rules for Stainless. I have always run Cast Iron. I have Ferodo star and stock Nissan pads on hand.
I understand that I may get many responces to this with everyones personal favorites. Looking for the hot set up. Money and wear are not issues.

Bill Cole
WERA#72

[Weezer # 1]

Cast Iron is the way to go if you want stopping power and great feel. A little dangerous though since they crack.
You can buy a 3 piston caliper from PM for more but you shouldn't need it on a 125.
May try out a bigger brake master cylinder as well. I never have on a 125 but I would like to try it myself.

Eric
TX

[Bill Cole]

Really looking for the most effective use of what I have. I know that there is a combination that is better than what I have.
Brembo only has Stainless now. I was shocked. They may have had a few to many exploded rotors who knows.
I like the feel I have with the brakes currently. They do not have a real hard bite and feel real progressive. However I have been moving the master out so that I can get more leverage on the lever. I like the feel just want a little more bite...

Bill Cole
WERA#72

[TZ925]

Hey Bill!
Monty Warsing here. If money isn't an issue, are you interested in a bigger TZ? My '93 250 is for sale with a sick spares kit.
Montyw2@aol.com for info.

Talk to you later.

[Bill Cole]

Hey Monty how are you... You wouldn't be trying to raise funds for a certain 2000 TZ 250 from an older skinny guy would you?? Has the same first name as me?? I have my ear to the ground.. Nothing gets past me!!

I will network your bike as best I can. You have a top shelf program and your bike is not only beautiful but fast. Little to much power for me however.

What are you looking to get for it??

Bill

[TwoCycler]

Bill,

If you haven't already, try an 18mm Brembo radial master cylinder. Best $200 braking improvement you can make.

Rocky

[GP Star]

Hey Bill, how are you breaking those EBC pads in? I was told by Garry Gallagher to put new pads in and then run up and down pit road about 8 to 10 times getting up to about 30-40mph and using the brakes hard (so hard that you sometimes do a little stoppie)each time. Then let the pads completely cool (take them out of the caliper to help with cooling if you're going to be going out in practice soon). Then once you're on the track take a lap or two to break them in like normal pads by using the brakes easy at first and gradually use them harder and harder. The HH sintered pads will last forever on a 125. As far as the rotors go, stainless is the way to go to keep the drag to a minimum and for life expectancy. They don't have the initial bite that cast iron rotors do but it's only for a split second (when I first went to stainless I noticed that they didn't "grab" right away also but soon got acustomed to it and didn't notice the "lapse" after a weekend or two.) I can't see the point in getting "aftermarket" or non-stock brake calipers or master cylinders for a 125 because they don't need them (at least the Hondas don't, and I doubt the TZs need them either).

--Chris

[Bill Cole]

Chris, Thanks for your reply. I ran the pads in a home running up an ddown the street a few times and let them have it maybe 15-20 times. When I got to the track I used them but never really laid into them for a session. I then took them out and scuffed them and repeated.
They work really well and thanks for your imput on the Stainless Rotors. This is my forst one and have no backround on the performance of them. It sounds like I broke them in fairly correctly and if this is the performance I can expect that is ok. It is the lack of initial bite that concerns me. I have found that I am hitting the brakes a little early.
Also agree that the Nissan set up is all I really need. I was running Cast iron with ferrodo 901 star pads last year and it was a really good combination. I know the hardware has the power. Just doesn't feel like it is getting to the rotor as well. Hell I shouldnt be using the dam things anyway!!
Are these the correct pads to use? Anything I should stay away from with stainless?

Bill C