Two-Race Limit

[Wine Slut]

Why are we still restricted to running two classes per bike? Wouldn't it boost class size and bring a greater level of competition?(more $$$$ and bigger grins)

[VINTAGE777]

Never really thought about it until you brought it up,but probably because of speed difference in the second bump up class.

[YamahaRick]

If WERA Vintage initiated the "Ban Mark Morrow" rule, I know grids in V2S, V5, FRD, and maybe a few others would grow tremendously! :-)

Face it Mark ... it is similar to when Mick Doohan was racing ... all others are racing for second place!

[Wine Slut]

Stop it Rick! Your'e embarassing me. Besides, I'm not going to run f-2strk next year.(unless we can get rid of the 2 race rule...)Seriously, if we are ever going to grow up and have our own stand alone events like "that other vintage series", we need to generate more $$$. The phrase "affordable racing" is always brought up when people talk about vintage. How affordable is it to someone whom wants to race more than 2 classes per weekend? As far as speed differences are concerned, they would be nothing compared to what we face now with a combined race format

[Cyclephoto]

Originally posted by rzracer39:
Why are we still restricted to running two classes per bike? Wouldn't it boost class size and bring a greater level of competition?(more $$$$ and bigger grins)
Mark, I'm going to stick my neck out and say that the (one bike two class/points) rule, was designed to restrict a certain type of machine from winning V1,V2,V3 and possibly V4. It is an attempt to encourage people to keep building and racing a variety of machines, instead of everyone building a Honda 350. Certainly we can't have just a Honda 350 Two class rule. Chris Marshall went out and built himself a 750 Ducati to beat us with in V3. I call it the Honda 350 rule but unfortunately it applys to all bikes. What do ya'll think?

[Diesel]

Originally posted by Cyclephoto:
[QUOTE]... the (one bike two class/points) rule, was designed to restrict a certain type of machine from winning V1,V2,V3 and possibly V4... I call it the Honda 350 rule but unfortunately it applys to all bikes. What do ya'll think?


Just be grateful for the rule because otherwise I would have to spank all yo' asses on my 175.

(It's amazing the damage I could do to you if you try to lap this ape on a moped) http://www.wera.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Tri-309]

Originally posted by Cyclephoto:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by rzracer39:
[b]Why are we still restricted to running two classes per bike? Wouldn't it boost class size and bring a greater level of competition?(more $$$$ and bigger grins)
Mark, I'm going to stick my neck out and say that the (one bike two class/points) rule, was designed to restrict a certain type of machine from winning V1,V2,V3 and possibly V4. It is an attempt to encourage people to keep building and racing a variety of machines, instead of everyone building a Honda 350. Certainly we can't have just a Honda 350 Two class rule. Chris Marshall went out and built himself a 750 Ducati to beat us with in V3. I call it the Honda 350 rule but unfortunately it applys to all bikes. What do ya'll think?

Mark and Mark. I would like to think that this rule would encourage racers to build more motorcycles to bump each one of those up 1 class. This would inturn increase entries and points in all classes would count.



[This message has been edited by Tri-309 (edited 07-24-2001).]

[VINTAGE777]

Tim is that you,welcome to the club http://www.wera.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Diesel]

Originally posted by Tri-309:
[QUOTE]Mark and Mark. I would like to think that this rule would encourage racers to build more motorcycles to bump each one of those up 1 class...



Or encourage us to befriend someone who could hook us up with an XR750. Eh?

Seriously though, I tend to agree with the 2 race rule for the reasons mentioned above. Granted our race format pretty much prevents many of us from effectively using the same bike in more than two races but alas, the 350 Honda is the one that is capable of winning V1, V2 and possibly V3 on certain tracks. Just look what Buff was capable of at CMP last year(?). By the end of the Formula 2-stroke, V2 and V4 race he was nipping (Nippon.. ha ha) at the heels of Mike Eiland on an XS650. Mike was a V3 and V4 champ which is a testament to his skill and the fact his Yammy was a strong runner. So the fact that Buff was able to run with him is evidence of what a 350 in the hands of a talented rider can do. Oh yea, also let's not forget the 350 mounted Tim and Buff duking it out along with Frank on a Trumpet at RR.

[Wine Slut]

At risk of shooting myself in the foot, I think you all are worried about the wrong kind of bike. Honda makes nice generators, lawnmowers and cars, but REAL racebikes are 2-strokes!!!!!(Yamaha of course) Are rd's legal in v3?? Having said that, I always wanted to race a harley.

[Cyclephoto]

Oh yea, also let's not forget the 350 mounted Tim and Buff duking it out along with Frank on a Trumpet at RR.

Well said Jens. I'm glad you all seem to understand this Honda 350 thing. It's a unique machine in that can be fun to ride stock, as well as made into a potent Hot Rod, that can be unbeatable in the hands of expert riders. It must have its place in any Vintage program.
We also need to make sure that other Vintage bikes of perhaps less potental for development have a place to compete with like machines.

[Tri-309]

Originally posted by rzracer39:
At risk of shooting myself in the foot, I think you all are worried about the wrong kind of bike. Honda makes nice generators, lawnmowers and cars, but REAL racebikes are 2-strokes!!!!!(Yamaha of course) Are rd's legal in v3?? Having said that, I always wanted to race a harley.

[Cyclephoto]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tri-309:
I would like to think that this rule would encourage racers to build more motorcycles to bump each one of those up 1 class. This would inturn increase entries and points in all classes would count.

Tim, this is exactly what Mark Morrow did, he brought two bikes to Summit Point. His RZ broke, so he raced his RD in the classes that he had entered the RZ in. I think he got a third, and a fourth in those classes, but because of the "two classes per bike" rule he did not recieve those points. Mark would have probaly won those races on the RZ, but instead he ran a slower bike (paid the entry fee) and finished down in the field. I'm not sure that his situation fits the reason for the rule. What do ya'll think? Mark Mitchell

[Tri-309]

Originally posted by Cyclephoto:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tri-309:
I would like to think that this rule would encourage racers to build more motorcycles to bump each one of those up 1 class. This would inturn increase entries and points in all classes would count.

Tim, this is exactly what Mark Morrow did, he brought two bikes to Summit Point. His RZ broke, so he raced his RD in the classes that he had entered the RZ in. I think he got a third, and a fourth in those classes, but because of the "two classes per bike" rule he did not recieve those points. Mark would have probaly won those races on the RZ, but instead he ran a slower bike (paid the entry fee) and finished down in the field. I'm not sure that his situation fits the reason for the rule. What do ya'll think? Mark Mitchell


Mark I do think the rule in this case is not right. It needs to be clearer.

[Tri-309]

Originally posted by rzracer39:
At risk of shooting myself in the foot, I think you all are worried about the wrong kind of bike. Honda makes nice generators, lawnmowers and cars, but REAL racebikes are 2-strokes!!!!!(Yamaha of course) Are rd's legal in v3?? Having said that, I always wanted to race a harley.
Mark is that why two stroke GP bikes are on the way out!!!!

[Wine Slut]

Thank you mark! That weekend and my ensuing stripping of points was exactly the catalyst that started this whole thing. I still think that we should be looking for ways to build our organization into a stand alone group. Look at all of the unhappy resonses to the vir cancellation.(not to be a jerk, but I ride endurance too so I still get to go)

[Wine Slut]

Your typing is coming along wonderfully!!!! The 500's are going away because people can't handle the truth!! If the diesles are so fast, how come they didn't limit them to 500cc?? Next time you get to ride the hog why don't you come out and play in v5?? Frank and I had a blast at road a. By the way, I raced one of those limey sleds that you're so fond of in the vir endurance last month. The best thing I can say is that it didn't have lucas electrics!!!

[boaide]

Honda makes nice generators, lawnmowers and cars, but REAL racebikes are 2-strokes!!!!!(Yamaha of course) Are rd's legal in v3?? Having said that, I always wanted to race a harley.[/B]

[Tri-309]

Originally posted by boaide:

RZ We will get to have some fun at TGP but you will be in v-5 and myself in v-3.I'll give you a little headstart.Your right none of my stuff has Lucas electrics.

[Wine Slut]

Originally posted by Tri-309:
Originally posted by boaide:

RZ We will get to have some fun at TGP but you will be in v-5 and myself in v-3.I'll give you a little headstart.Your right none of my stuff has Lucas electrics.
Thanks for the head start, but I won't be at tgp. Maybe vir? Looks like I stuck my foot in about sep vir, just got my newsletter, saw my mid atlantic points, no chance now to win any championship. Somebody call 911, I got robbed!