fuel mapping devices ???

[JurgenW]

Facing the challenge of tuning a fuel injected bike this year, I was wondering what the preferred fuel mapping device seems to be.

Power Commander, Fuel Nanny, Techlusion, TEKA ????

I keep hearing good and bad for different products - any input from you folks????

thanks


Jurgen
www.teaminfotech.com

[HFD1Motorsports]

factory pro and the teka unit works great and it does not cause problems with your spark.....

[MotoMadman]

I concur. We've had twice the performance with a third of the hassle with Factory and TEKA. :cool:

[Renaissance man]

I have PCIIIr for a GSXR-1000 that anyone can have for free. Guaranteed to blow-up some kind of sensor within one race weekend.

Will pay you 50.00 if you promise to put it up the *ss of anyone at LP or Dynojet.

Marcus McBain

[mad brad]

ok, now i'm scared. i have a pcIII. what gives marcus?

[Renaissance man]

Originally posted by mad brad
ok, now i'm scared. i have a pcIII. what gives marcus?

I think the first Gen PCIIIr's (for GSXR anyway) were just a bad lot. Most wouldn't hold maps.

LP got tired of taking them back, stopped carrying them, stopped taking returns, called them crap, and directed you toward Dynojet.

I think Manny at Dynojet got tired of taking them back, plus he was sick of dealing with LP customers that LP wouldn't take care of, but Manny was pretty much a *ick about taking them back.

I tried to make the thing work, and in the meantime had 4 sensors go out. GSXR 1000's had problems with the Primary TPS, but the STPS and another TPS as well as the crank sensor IS REALLY FREAKING ODD.

Good Luck.
Marcus

[mad brad]

heard any prob's with the R1?

[RoadRacerX]

Originally posted by mad brad
heard any prob's with the R1?

Only the blue ones. ;)

[MotoMadman]

Originally posted by mad brad
heard any prob's with the R1?

don't know about that model, but the bikes I've seen on a dyno actually made more power without the PC, until there was motor work done as well

[sdiver]

???

[MotoMadman]

Sure. Always had good results using it. But it's limited. We can't change the timing, or fine tune flat spots in the power curve. In retrospect, Yosh box was better to use than PC, IMO.

[roy826ex]

Yosh Box set it and go race, at my level you don't even notice the flat spots :D Seriously I have been happy with my setup & no blown sensors :p

[sdiver]

The new one that hooks into your computer.

[HFD1Motorsports]

yosh is the same thing as a power junk look inside same stuff differant color box....... if you need timing then use the advancer plates on the crank pick up

[Gumby647]

You didn't say what bike you have. The Teka is a great tool but only works on Suzukis. You can adjust the fuel map on the new Yamahas by playing with the stock ECU. If it's a Kawasaki or Honda you're pretty much suck with the Power Commander or Fuel Nanny.

I know that Marc form Factory is working on a Power Commander like Teka unit that will work on bikes other that Suzukis but who knows when it will be ready.

[Buckwild]

I actually got my PC tuned to get a whopping -8 HP from the stock setup. Not bad considering I started with -13.:mad: Unplugged it, reset to stock, and got my numbers back. Tuned it with the yosh box & walked away with +11 HP after a few hours on the dyno & some fine tuning. This on a TLR. PCII sucks as much as the IIIr.

[JurgenW]

Originally posted by Gumby647
You didn't say what bike you have. The Teka is a great tool but only works on Suzukis. You can adjust the fuel map on the new Yamahas by playing with the stock ECU. If it's a Kawasaki or Honda you're pretty much suck with the Power Commander or Fuel Nanny.

I know that Marc form Factory is working on a Power Commander like Teka unit that will work on bikes other that Suzukis but who knows when it will be ready.


how do you adjust the stock ECU? Are you referring to the new R6?

thanks


Jurgen

[Gumby647]

The fuelie R6 and R1 have a diagnostic mode that alows you to bump the fuel curve up and down. You have to ground one of the ecu wires then use the dash buttons to adjust it. It should be in the manual.

[Team Atomic]

...so should I throw out my Dynojet IIIr... for my GSXR 600??

[HFD1Motorsports]

only after it pukes and shuts you down on the last lap while you are in the lead......I am sure there are many people that use them and say they work great but there are as many stories and dyno facts saying that they cause problems too. I love the teka and have made good power with it.

[Dan Kyle]

I sell a lot of Power Commanders, I have not had the same problems you have. The most common problem, is the insulation on the PCs wearing thru. and shorting to the frame. The new PC3USBs that are coming for th new 2003 bikes have a new toughter insulation.
The only bikes that had Ign problems were Suzukis, and I have only seen those with the earlier PC2, not the PC3R.
The advantage of the PC3 or PC3R is how the maps are made using the Tuning Link Software, It works quite well and very good maps can be made in 2 to 3 hours. The Power Commander or whatever you are using at the end of the day is only as good as the map you are using.

[Trickle X]

I have used both a pcIII & pcIIIr on our endurance bikes with no problems. We ran the whole season on the pcIIIr on the "A" bike & it never once gave me a fit. They were both Suzuki 1ks.
fwiw.....

[down&out]

I have used two of these and seen the other one in action.

Techlusion: Not RPM or throttle position related and can only make your bike run richer. It actually says to rev your bike to 700rpm and tune to the best sound! You got to be kidding me! I personally don't care how my bike runs in neutral, and what happens when my GSXR secondary butterfly opens at 8000rpm? Oh yeah, the fact that it ruined my wiring harness did not make me too happy either.

TEKA: I like the way it flashes the ECU but it does not seem to be RPM related either, only broad throttle ranges. Any what do I do on my F4i.

I have been using a PCIIIr for about two years on a few bikes with no problems. I've studied this unit and the people that say that is causes power loss and sensors to go bad need to look into the facts a little more. If all it does is offset a signal how can it make a sensor go bad. My 1k had a starting issue and cut out intermittently after installing the PCIIIr but I found out my crank pickup coil gap was .032" and was not making a strong enough signal for the PCIIIr to see. I changed it to .015" and all is well. My old Hayabusa did have a problem with the PCII but they way the PCIIIr handles the fuel and timing is much better. Like Dan said the unit is only as good as the map. If I put a wrench in your hand and you can't fix your bike is it the wrench's fault?

Sorry to rant but the only logical choice is the Power Commander.