Nice Custom leathers, at a budget price.

[DrummerDaveB]

Hi,
Im Dave Baumann w/ Spartan Apparel.
www.SpartanLeathers.com

Im starting a new brand of leathers, and thought some of you guys/girls may be interested.
Im offering leathers, made to your measurments, for a very budget price.
But these ARE NOT cheap leathers.

All seams are at least double stitched, with seams in impact areas being triple stitched, using nylon thread.
1.4mm full grain cowhide leather
Double layer leather in impact areas
CE Armor in Shoulders, Elbows, and Knees. Pads on hips and back protector included (although it's not CE - you'll take it out anyway). I will also be offering some nice CE back protectors.
Keprotec Stretch panels.
YKK Zips
2 Interior pockets
Back hump
Perfs front and rear - Note these are not the standard perfs, but they're 3mm holes at 1cm spacing. Lots of airflow, and lots of strength, as they wont tear along the perfs.
Knee pucks included (although I admit they're not very nice pucks).


Options to remove the back hump, remove the collar, and
ADD your Name (or whatever) to the back.
In your choice of colors, and again, made to your measurements.

For a very limited time, Im selling these for only $425 + shipping.
And, as a grand opening special, Im giving away 1 free suit for every 10 I sell. So, buy a suit now, and you might get it for free!


I currently have one mens, and one women's suit.

The mens is a 1pc suit.
Women's is a 2pc suit.


Here are some pics:

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj272/drummerdaveb/PICT3535.jpg

Closeup of perfs and stitching
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj272/drummerdaveb/PICT3537.jpg

Closeup of Stretch panels
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj272/drummerdaveb/PICT3530.jpg

Keprotec panels
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj272/drummerdaveb/PICT3526.jpg

Shoulder Vents:
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj272/drummerdaveb/PICT3531.jpg

Small or Large Back hump available. This one is small.
A Larger hump is standard.
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj272/drummerdaveb/PICT3533.jpg
Here's a link to one with the larger back hump:
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj272/drummerdaveb/Spartan/100_0936sm.jpg

Lots of stretch behind the knees for comfort.
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj272/drummerdaveb/PICT3538.jpg

See the hidden seam?
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj272/drummerdaveb/PICT3541.jpg

Leather backed logos:
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj272/drummerdaveb/PICT3542.jpg

The Womens:
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj272/drummerdaveb/Spartan/wendyside.jpg

I'll get some more pics of this suit.


So think it over, check out my website, and feel free to ask any questions you might have. I'd love to have your business.

Thx,
Dave
www.SpartanLeathers.com

[Denno]

lookin good dave - best of luck with the suits - i'd love to see one in person to give it a once over, where are you located? i get a lot of people in the northeast looking for custom suits but we're just sticking with repairs for now

oh and good call all on the removable liner for repairs!

best,

Denno

[DrummerDaveB]

lookin good dave - best of luck with the suits - i'd love to see one in person to give it a once over, where are you located? i get a lot of people in the northeast looking for custom suits but we're just sticking with repairs for now

oh and good call all on the removable liner for repairs!

best,

Denno

Thanks!

I live in the Louisville area.

[TurboBlew]

wow.. nice. Can you get it without the labeling?

[DrummerDaveB]

wow.. nice. Can you get it without the labeling?

I assume the Spartan labels. . . You can, but then they cost you .. . . .
one milllion dollars!



j/k. No extra charge.
But I give you :moon:

[PGood]

What are rack sizes and how do they compare size wise to other leathers?

What is the approx timeframe for a custom one?

Thanks

[DrummerDaveB]

What are rack sizes and how do they compare size wise to other leathers?

What is the approx timeframe for a custom one?

Thanks

Rack sizes are the standard 38 to 50.

Im having them made in the same sizes as Frank Thomas leathers.


Timeframe is approx 5 to 7 weeks.
I dont have any rack sizes in right now, as I've only been doing custom, so those are on the same timeframe.

[Denno]

Thanks!

I live in the Louisville area.

lol -nevermind! :up:

[k6sinfiddy]

nice lookin suit bro....may have to be my next one!

[Kurlon]

Do I get a discount for being a skinny bastard? (I'm spending almost half as much to have my AGV repaired as that new suit would cost... hrmmm...)

[DrummerDaveB]

Do I get a discount for being a skinny bastard? (I'm spending almost half as much to have my AGV repaired as that new suit would cost... hrmmm...)

Costs me the same whether you're 100lbs or 300.

[PGood]

Where are these suits made?

[DrummerDaveB]

Where are these suits made?

These are made in Pakistan, as are 90% of all leathers.

[Shenanigans]

How much is it for a custom suit? they look nice!

[DrummerDaveB]

How much is it for a custom suit? they look nice!

Answer taken from my original post:
For a very limited time, Im selling these for only $425 + shipping.
And, as a grand opening special, Im giving away 1 free suit for every 10 I sell. So, buy a suit now, and you might get it for free!

[Shenanigans]

Im a crackhead. Just went back and read it again. Damn good looking suit.

[DrummerDaveB]

Im a crackhead. Just went back and read it again. Damn good looking suit.

Thanks!
I designed it myself.

[TRK]

Colors?

[TurboBlew]

how do we get you dimensions??

Any affiliation with Durriani Wheels? :D

[Yama-saurus]

any perf or air exit vents on the rear. i see tons of perf for air in, but no way out?

[DrummerDaveB]

Colors?

Color chart is in the photo album.
http://www.spartanleathers.com/main/page_photo_album.html

But, choices are:
Black
White
Dk gray
Med gray
lt gray
dk blue
med blue
lt blue
Orange
Burnt orange
Yellow
Red
Green

[DrummerDaveB]

how do we get you dimensions??

Any affiliation with Durriani Wheels? :D


After placing an order in the store, go to this page, and submit your measurements.
http://www.spartanleathers.com/main/page_sizing.html


Nope. No affiliation whatsoever. :)
Orders will be filled as promised. :up:

[DrummerDaveB]

any perf or air exit vents on the rear. i see tons of perf for air in, but no way out?

The rear isnt perfed on that particular suit, but by default, it will be perfed in the area between the back hump and the upper stretch panels on the rear (above the white section), as well as between the white section and the lower stretch panel.

[UberRacing]

Do you have any pics of a suit after a crash?

[DrummerDaveB]

Do you have any pics of a suit after a crash?

None have been crashed in yet.
Im in the process of sponsoring a CCS racer, who will be wearing them and assured me he would crash sometime this year. :crackup:

[superbikestore]

Dave's a good guy. I know him locally. He has been working hard on these for some time and went through several suit designs and testing to get it just right. This is one hell of a deal.

[DrummerDaveB]

Dave's a good guy. I know him locally. He has been working hard on these for some time and went through several suit designs and testing to get it just right. This is one hell of a deal.

Thanks for the plug. :up:

Remind me to pay you later. LOL ;)

[superbikestore]

Thanks for the plug. :up:

Remind me to pay you later. LOL ;)

White with silver and black accents :up: J/K..

[DrummerDaveB]

Oh yeah.
I could use a Wera rider or 2 to sponsor.

If anybody is interested, let me know.

[CMG41]

How about a novice LRRS racer that crashes....a lot.

[CAPITALROB]

Man, How Could Anyone Pass This Up....

[Kurlon]

How about a novice LRRS racer that crashes....a lot.

My crash rate is 100% in LRRS, (1 weekend, one weekend ending crash), whats yours? :P

[DrummerDaveB]

Just an FYI,
There are only 4 more days till the order goes in.
Otherwise you'll have to wait another month.
And my grand opening special ends with this order.

[CMG41]

My crash rate is 100% in LRRS, (1 weekend, one weekend ending crash), whats yours? :P

not 100% but you'd never it know it by my R6's appearance. 1 crash in the Bowl last fall (1st day on it) and pre-race Sat practice into turn1 (fast crash:wow: ) opening day in April.
I got rid of my Michelin Power race and went to Dunlops last race week-end - like them a lot better. front end is more predictable and when the rear breaks loose its manageable. now if i could only find some endurance out of my weak old legs...

(sorry to go so off topic)

[DrummerDaveB]

. . . . which is why you guys need (fresh) leathers that fit you properly. :D
[Bringing it back on topic :Poke: ]

[forceten]

On the coloring, what are the color options? Not what colors can be picked, I see all the colors...... but where are the color picks.

The mens suit in the picture is black? Or black with white?

So what I'm asking - can you pick two colors. One where the perf is and one where the black is (arms and such). Or are we just picking the outer color and the inner mesh will always be white?

[DrummerDaveB]

On the coloring, what are the color options? Not what colors can be picked, I see all the colors...... but where are the color picks.

The mens suit in the picture is black? Or black with white?

So what I'm asking - can you pick two colors. One where the perf is and one where the black is (arms and such). Or are we just picking the outer color and the inner mesh will always be white?

You can have whatever color combination you like, in whatever configuration you like.

You want a blue suit with a green front, a red back, and yellow stretch panels? You can do it.

But yes, these are outer colors only. The mesh liner will always be white, or maybe gray or silver.

[DrummerDaveB]

You can have whatever color combination you like, in whatever configuration you like.

You want a blue suit with a green front, a red back, and yellow stretch panels? You can do it.

But yes, these are outer colors only. The mesh liner will always be white, or maybe gray or silver.

Just as a word of clarification, re-reading your post it sound like you used Mesh and Perfed leather interchageably.
The Perfed leather can be whatever color you want.



Oh yeah, only 2 more days till the order goes in, and the free suit contest ends.

[forceten]

Suite is paid for and ordered, Hope its all that it appears to be.

Emailed you everything i think you need and the color scheme. If I missed anything feel free to email me or call me.

Soon as it gets in I will take pictures for you guys and give you my honest review on it. Will also do that for you on my other websites that I'm on. My local bike group of about 50 riders will be interested in some suits if mine comes out good. So get me a great suite and I will get you more business.

[DrummerDaveB]

Suite is paid for and ordered, Hope its all that it appears to be.

Emailed you everything i think you need and the color scheme. If I missed anything feel free to email me or call me.

Soon as it gets in I will take pictures for you guys and give you my honest review on it. Will also do that for you on my other websites that I'm on. My local bike group of about 50 riders will be interested in some suits if mine comes out good. So get me a great suite and I will get you more business.


Thanks for the order.
I'll do everything in my power to make sure your suit (and everyone else's) is what they asked for, and meets if not exceeds expectations.

[DrummerDaveB]

BTW, today is the last day for Orders this month, and the last day to get in on the free suit giveaway!

[ZXNick]

Dave, what will the "normal' price for these suits be. I am 6'6'' and 235 lbs so off the rack really isn't an option. I have an A-stars suit that I somehow shoehorn my big ass into now but a custom suit sounds great. But, seeing how I do have a suit that works now I think my $$ will be spent on track days and tires this summer. Over the winter though I will be looking you up....just curious if you have any idea of what the price will be after the grand opening special.

BTW, the suits look great!!!

[DrummerDaveB]

Dave, what will the "normal' price for these suits be. I am 6'6'' and 235 lbs so off the rack really isn't an option. I have an A-stars suit that I somehow shoehorn my big ass into now but a custom suit sounds great. But, seeing how I do have a suit that works now I think my $$ will be spent on track days and tires this summer. Over the winter though I will be looking you up....just curious if you have any idea of what the price will be after the grand opening special.

BTW, the suits look great!!!


Hey Nick,
That's a good question. Honestly, I havent put too much thought into it yet.
The issue is shipping and order quantities. If I were getting order quantities of 15 suits or more, shipping gets to be pretty reasonable. However, below that and it's insanely high (Read: over $100 per suit, when there are only a few :wow: ) When I set the price, I thought it was going to be half that.

That being the case, unless I get a lot of interest that makes be believe that I'll be getting that 15 orders per month, I'm probably going to have to add about $50 to the price. I cant say for sure if the price will change next month, or if I'll try to hold out for a few, for the sake of getting suits out on the market. Or maybe I'll raise it as soon as somebody crashes in them and posts pics.

So basically, it's a crap shoot as to timing. But I would guess about a $50 increase is roughly what to expect.

[forceten]

For the price you can't beat it. Most of the custom places like bills and such you will be paying $1k plus for a custom job.

Now granted these aren't top of the line. But for the price, if they can get me a better fit then a rack suit - seems like a great deal.

Unless I crash of course and you have to go down the track to find different peices of the suite. Then that will be what makes or breaks these suits. But when one of use goes down in this suit, if it really holds up well, I'm sure the orders will come flooding in.

[DrummerDaveB]

For the price you can't beat it. Most of the custom places like bills and such you will be paying $1k plus for a custom job.

Now granted these aren't top of the line. But for the price, if they can get me a better fit then a rack suit - seems like a great deal.

Unless I crash of course and you have to go down the track to find different peices of the suite. Then that will be what makes or breaks these suits. But when one of use goes down in this suit, if it really holds up well, I'm sure the orders will come flooding in.


This is a good point.
It's all in how they hold up in a crash.

And I am truely doing everything I know to do, to make sure that they are built right, so that when they do crash, they'll hopefully crash well.
To help that, here's what I've done:
1) Few seams in impact areas. I've really tried to make the designs so seams are minimized.
2) Seam stitching. Triple stitched seams (utilizing hidden seams) in impact areas so they wont abrade away and burst when sliding.
3) Double layer leather in impact areas. So if you wear through a layer, you've got another! If you wear through 2, well. .. nobody's gonna help you there. Hopefully it's in an area where you've got the plastic armor.
4) Full grain leather - the strongest way to go. (Just in case you noticed, the leather in the pics is actually top grain, not full, but Im trying very hard to make sure the manufacturer understands that no less than full grain will be accepted. It's not that top grain isnt good too. In 99.9% of cases you'd never know the difference even in a crash, but full is better, as it hasnt been sanded on to remove scars in the leather, therefore being a stronger piece of leather that will be harder to tear.)
5) Large perforations. The farther the distance between perf holes, the more difficult to tear along perf lines. Just a few weeks ago a customer showed me his new Vanson pants, with the crotch completely blown out. He put them on, squatted in them, and they ripped - through the leather along the perf lines. :eek: You wont be tearing along my perf lines without some sort of major crash through pointy objects.


That being said, if ANYBODY sees ANYTHING that could be a potential fail-point that could be revised, I want to know (scratch that- I need to know). I'll redesign the suits as needed. :up:

[DrummerDaveB]

Time is up, the order is in. . .

And the winner of the free suit is . . . DMMCD (Dan) from SVRider.com.

Thanks everyone for your orders!

[forceten]

Booooooo :)

[rlucas]

So I slacked off and missed ordering, when will you be ordering more leather?

[jgalt81]

So I slacked off and missed ordering, when will you be ordering more leather?


Me too, If I order right away, when do you think I would get my leathers?

[TurboBlew]

I couldnt get to the seamstress in time but if youre collecting names for the next batch, Im a lock for sure!

[OreoGaborio]

+1, I'm very interested in ordering up a 1pc if it can be done in a reasonable time frame.

[carbonr1half]

I am so super excited! i cannot wait to get mine in!!! the ordering process was super easy, and there are alot of measurments taken which ensures a great fit! i cannot wait!!! and i think it effin rocks to be able to customize the colors. Oh and Dave was GREAT, i had a million and one questions, and he helped with all of them! i am so anxious to get em! but so bummed i didnt win the free leathers! LOL no biggy!!! i cannot wait!!!!

[forceten]

Was too many colors to play with in my opinion. Soon as he said any color combo was possible I must have played with photoshop for like three hours.

I just went with a basic color design for fear of the suit not coming out like I imagined it would :D (5 colors is way to many on a suit :eek: )

[DrummerDaveB]

Sorry about the late reply to the thread. It stopped telling me when it got replied to.

I'll be sending in another order once this order comes in, unless by some chance 10 - 15 orders came in this month, but I think most people are waiting to see how these suits came out. Im ordering a mens 2pc sample suit that a lot of people seem to be wanting. So Im guessing it'll be just about 4 or 5 weeks before I put in another order.

If someone is short on time, let me know. I'll see how much addl time it would take (if any - depends on where they are in the production process) to add a suit to the order.

[forceten]

*bump*

How we doing on our orders dave? Was hoping they would be in for NJMP thunderbolt but guess not. I got beaver and calabogie next month. They gonna be in some time this month?

[DrummerDaveB]

*bump*

How we doing on our orders dave? Was hoping they would be in for NJMP thunderbolt but guess not. I got beaver and calabogie next month. They gonna be in some time this month?

Sorry about the delay guys.
The manuf has had some delays due to the leather tanning process (they had to freshly tan a bunch of leather for me, as my stuff requires a better grade of leather than their other stuff).
That process is apparently directly affected by weather, and it has been pretty rainy there lately.
They gave me an estimate of about 2 more weeks.
I'll let you know if it looks like it's going to be any different.

[(diet)DrThunder]

Hey Dave, I meant to ask before, but I forgot. Did you buy the old Spartan Leathers company, or was that also you? I had a Spartan suit in the early 90's and it was pretty nice for the $$ (was inexpensive).

Anyway, just curious.

[DrummerDaveB]

Hey Dave, I meant to ask before, but I forgot. Did you buy the old Spartan Leathers company, or was that also you? I had a Spartan suit in the early 90's and it was pretty nice for the $$ (was inexpensive).

Anyway, just curious.

No I didnt.
The old Spartan stuff was made by Fieldsheer, and sold under the Spartan name by Tucker Rocky.
They havent sold anything with that name in like 10 years.
A trademark is legally considered abandoned after 3 years of non-use.

I liked the name, I started the LLC, etc. . . then I found an ebay auction w/ some (horribly ugly) "Spartan" leathers - did some research . . yadda yadda.
Anyway, same name, totally different company.

[forceten]

Updates? I would email but I know a few others ordered also so i thought I would post here.

[DrummerDaveB]

They shipped (to me) on Friday.
It will take a few days to get here, through customs, etc.

As soon as I get them I'll inspect and ship them out to you guys.

[forceten]

Any way to pay extra for some fast shipping once they get to you? (will depend on when they actually arrive on your dorrstep that is)

[DrummerDaveB]

Any way to pay extra for some fast shipping once they get to you? (will depend on when they actually arrive on your dorrstep that is)

I suppose, but expedited shipping is HIGH, at least that's what my UPS quotes tell me.
Im going to be meeting w/ a UPS sales rep this week and try to get a discount on my shipping, but Im a pretty small fish, so who knows if they'll give me anything or not.

[DrummerDaveB]

Hey Guys, just a shipping update.

The order was shipped Friday, and tracking shows it should get to me on Friday of this week (Sept 5th) pending the order not getting delayed in customs.

[TurboBlew]

this from the original order batch?

[DrummerDaveB]

this from the original order batch?

Yes. There were some delays in the Leather tanning process (apparently due to weather according to my manufacturer) that took several weeks.

[forceten]

Hey Guys, just a shipping update.

The order was shipped Friday, and tracking shows it should get to me on Friday of this week (Sept 5th) pending the order not getting delayed in customs.


Damn not gonna be in time for the 8th and 9th at NJMP!

But looks like it will be in time for calabogie on the 19th-21st (keeping my fingers crossed!)

[DrummerDaveB]

Pics! 56k hold on tight!




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[DrummerDaveB]

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[DrummerDaveB]

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[Tiffanator]

Hi, when will you be putting in your next order and what is your estimated delivery date to the customer on those? I really like the look of those suits and will really need something custom with my body shape. I have a trackday October 11 and probably another November 11 and would like to have them for the October date, but for sure by November.
Thanks

Oh... and I'm so never going to be able to decide on a color. All of those look great. I better start choosing now.

[superbikestore]

Looking good Dave !

[CMG41]

Oh... and I'm so never going to be able to decide on a color. All of those look great. I better start choosing now.

Take it from a guy that has 2 black sets of leathers - consider white!

[DrummerDaveB]

Hi, when will you be putting in your next order and what is your estimated delivery date to the customer on those? I really like the look of those suits and will really need something custom with my body shape. I have a trackday October 11 and probably another November 11 and would like to have them for the October date, but for sure by November.
Thanks

Oh... and I'm so never going to be able to decide on a color. All of those look great. I better start choosing now.


Next order will be going in about 3 weeks. Unfortunately I think it would be impossible to get the suit to you by even November 11.
I say that as
3 weeks until the order goes in + 1 week shipping (plus however long it take to get from me to you), that's only 4 weeks to get the suits completed and shipped. This last order took well longer than that just to prepare the leather.

Thx,
Dave

[forceten]

Looks good except the name for mine. They should have just put white lettering on it, Not with the gray backround strip. I have to see how that looks in person but i will probably remove the stitching on that and take that off and have somebody redo with just the letters themselves........ Also doesn't look like uniform lettering.

Past that looks great just from the pictures........ Will have to see how it fits.

Only other concern just from looking is wish the cuff was velcro instead of a snap button. Will have to see how that feels under my gloves.

Overall I like what I see!! Looks like it will be in time for calabogie for me too!!! WOOT!

[DrummerDaveB]

Looks good except the name for mine. The should have just put white lettering on it, Not with the gray backround strip. I have to see how that looks in person but i will probably remove the stitching on that and take that off and have somebody redo with just the letters themselves........

Past that looks great just from the pictures........ Will have to see how it fits.

Only other concern just from looking is wish the cuff was velcro instead of a snap button. Will have to see how that feels under my gloves.

Overall I like what I see!! Looks like it will be in time for calabogie for me too!!! WOOT!

Yeah, the snap was supposed to be axed from the suits, but unfortunately they missed that detail. Any alterations place (even non-leather specific I bet) could probably replace the snap w/ velcro, or just take it off completely.

[forceten]

Yeah not too worried about the snaps. If I can feel the snap under my glove digging into my wrist I will have someplace redo the snap with velcro.

Other then that it looks really good!!! Can't wait to see how it fits.

The name on mine might have been my fault. I see i gave you the lettering two different ways. On the ragdoll stock picture I gave you just white lettering on the suite. But when i went to give you the lettring in a picture all by itself I used gray as a backround, but just to show you the white lettering.

I bet even if i changed that and used a black backround they might have just put the lettering on.

Hope its not that bad to remove all that stitching and remove that name plate. I will see when it comes in

This is how I want it to look.

http://www.forceten.org/nes/fixed1.jpg




SO when ya shipping out? :)

[DrummerDaveB]

Yeah not too worried about the snaps. If I can feel the snap under my glove digging into my wrist I will have someplace redo the snap with velcro.

Other then that it looks really good!!! Can't wait to see how it fits.

The name on mine might have been my fault. I see i gave you the lettering two different ways. On the ragdoll stock picture I gave you just white lettering on the suite. But when i went to give you the lettring in a picture all by itself I used gray as a backround, but just to show you the white lettering.

I bet even if i changed that and used a black backround they might have just put the lettering on.

Hope its not that bad to remove all that stitching and remove that name plate. I will see when it comes in

This is how I want it to look.



SO when ya shipping out? :)

Sorry, I saw the gray background and thought it was intentional.
You could always take a black magic marker to it. :Poke:

It has already been shipped.
Did UPS not email you the tracking number?

[forceten]

Sorry, I saw the gray background and thought it was intentional.
You could always take a black magic marker to it. :Poke:

It has already been shipped.
Did UPS not email you the tracking number?


:moon:


I get lots of packages in every day for business. UPS always gives me those tracking emails but they never say what the package is. I'm sure if I sort through them yours is in there someplace!

Good to see that on the way!



Hmmm so who does lettering on the east coast? Anybody that people can point me too? If not I guess i will give barnacle bill a ring.

[rlucas]

Got mine today. Everything looks ok although it's a little tight in places. We'll see how it is after breaking it in though. Any suggestions on how to soften up the leather?

[forceten]

What places are they tight in so we can see if they are all running tight in the same areas

[rlucas]

A lot of it was probably my measurements. This was my first 1 piece so I probably should've gone a little more lenient with them. It's mostly the arms and shoulders, with a little in the legs. As it is right now I don't think I could buckle my helmet with it on. I should have went with no collar too, it rides way to high when in a riding position. I think I'm going to check to see about getting it taken off. The crotch is tight but is fine in a riding position so no big deal.

[rus23]

Has anyone done any sliding in this suit yet?

[DrummerDaveB]

Got mine today. Everything looks ok although it's a little tight in places. We'll see how it is after breaking it in though. Any suggestions on how to soften up the leather?

Leather conditioner and/or just time in the suit to break it in should soften it up - after a few hundred miles in mine, it got pretty soft.

Richard: IF it would be possible, could you reread the measurement instructions and retake your measurements and see if you come up w/ the same as before?
The reason I ask is it's easy to get a measurement wrong.
The other night I had a guy over, who was my 2pc prototype suit Guinea pig. It didnt fit. . . not even close. We re-took his measurments, and some of them were waaay off - like as much as 8 inches. I dont know how (things like sleeve joint, neck to waist, chest, etc) they got off so far, but 5 or 6 measurments were off.
So basically, double-check your measurments.

If they're all correct, let me know. I'd like to discuss what measurements are too small, to look for trends in fitment issues. If for instance people were having issues w/ some particular measurment being too tight, I can have my suit builder loosen that particular measurment a bit.




BTW, here's an email I got today (to show fitment issues are not universal)
"Dave

I got the suit today and it is incredible.

The workman ship and fit is way better than my last Astars and Rocket suits.

I will be buying my next suit from you and I will be sending several of my friends your way.

Thanks again for the great service and top quality suit.

Feel free to use me as a reference as your products are the worth the praise they get.

Dean Lancman"

[forceten]

Yeah was gonna ask what areas people felt tight in to see if one spot had a certain problem.

Once mine comes in I will give ya a full report. Will take pictures for ya on and off the bike........


Looks like mine might pop in monday or tuesday it seems.

[rlucas]

Dave,

As I mentioned previously I figure it's my measurements, after all they just created it with them, the suit quality is great. Can you send the measurements I sent back to me and I'll retake some?

Thanks.

[forceten]

Got my suit in today........ I have to play with it more, but will give ya first impressions....

Taking it out of the box, the leather is really good quality!! Better then i thought it would be.

Everything from first look seems its put together pretty good.

Trying it on without the back protector on, tight tight tight. But thats to be expected with new leather. Wore it around for about 1/2 hour..... stretching and such. When i first put it on i couldn't even swing my leg over to get on a bike.

Couldn't put it on by myself either.

After 1/2 of stretching it a bit I was able to swing my leg on to a bike.......... No way i can lean off the bike though until the leather loosens some.

I can say the length is spot on. Finally to have a set of leathers that don't bunch up in my boots. The knee armour is very very nice I think. Instead of just a pad or hard armour, this has hard armour of sorts that also angles around the knee in a sort of L fashion. Makes it a bit harder to get the legs on, but once in place it seems to offer A+++ protection there.

Lower part of the suit fits spot on.

Shoulders are tight. Even on the bike shoulders are a bit tight. I'm hoping that will change a little once it softens up. Hard to stand upright or cross my arms at all.

Then I put the back protector on (with the help of two people I got the suit on)...... ugggg

I gave it an extra inch or 2 in measurements to try to accommodate the protector. So it fits in there good. But that made the shoulders that much tighter. Was almost impossible to cross my arms (I guess like the other guy said - strap my helmet on.)

Wore the suit another 20 mins trying to stretch it a bit and it did slightly loosen up so i have hope that with a little bit of sun and stretching it will loosen and soften to the point where its comfortable.

Negatives for the suit so far:

The collar has got to go. I have had the suit off for about 30 mins now and i still feel my neck is being chocked (I wonder of thats what people feel like that have had a noose around their neck).

Am going to calabogie for three days this coming weekend and I would have worn the suit there for a day or two so I could loosen it up some, but can't with the collar in place. My recommendations is order without the collar in the future for the rest of you guys.

Only other negative is the button snaps on the wrist. Not only buttons is a negative to begin with, but then where they put the button rests right on the outside of my wrist bone. So when i put my gloves on it digs right into the outer large wrist bone. Metal snaps show and sort of rest of your skin on the inside, so a spill where you hit that spot or possible slide there I think is gonna hurt lots and do some damage. The snaps need to go. I'm gonna have barnacle bill take the snaps off an go with velcro. Barnacle will also remove that collar for me. (and redo the name to just letters)

Only other smaller negative I think is the double zipper. I can see where it might be a good idea to be able to zip your suit up and not just down, but the bottom is just so high and the suit tight enough that no way would I go take a piss with the suit still zipped up.

So that bottom zipper gets shoved either in the front little pocket on the bottom like i found when i opened the box up. Or goes on the inside. But makes for a bulky little spot.

So just my opinion, that I would have preferred just a straight up zipper that only zips up without adding extra metal on the bottom there. Maybe some people might like a zipper that also zips up, but its too high for me to use it for bathroom use or other use, so........

I will try to take pictures later today or tomorrow with the suit on - both on and off the bike.

I like the suit and have hopes it will loosen up some. Once the collar is gone, Velcro put in on the sleeves then i will try riding it at the track and see how it goes.

Barnacle bill should have a pretty good turn around rate unless he is backed up. I should have it shipped out to him tomorrow afternoon.

[CMG41]

Interesting tips on leather care from a competitors site (want softer leathers?)






13. Q: How do I take care of the suit?

A: At least once a year, the leather should be conditioned with leather conditioner or mink oil to keep it from drying out. It's always best to hang your leathers up to dry thoroughly if they get wet from rain or sweat. A damp suit can be put it in the dryer on warm to keep it soft. A mild soap and water solution can be used to wipe down the soild leathers. They can also be professionally cleaned.

[rlucas]

What forceten is saying is my exact experience and thoughts. After wearing the suit around the house for awhile it did loosen up but it still needs worked in a bit.

forceten: Do you know how much Barnacle Bill charges to remove the collar and change the snaps to velcro?

[DrummerDaveB]

Sorry about the snaps. Those were supposed to be velcro, but looks like that detail was missed.
They should be velcro in the future - Im also considering having no collar be the standard.

[forceten]

What forceten is saying is my exact experience and thoughts. After wearing the suit around the house for awhile it did loosen up but it still needs worked in a bit.

forceten: Do you know how much Barnacle Bill charges to remove the collar and change the snaps to velcro?



Asked him about the lettering and snaps just from seeing the pictures. Lettering is $8 a letter. Velcro was $10 a cuff so $20.

I took a look at the collar just now, almost seems like I could remove the stitching myself and just remove the collar myself. From the from it looks like the suit has an edge under the collar. Just not sure if it goes all the way around.

Dave - or anyone else. When they add a collar on to a suit. Is it just that? Just stitched on top of the regular suit? If thats the case i will remove the collar myself and at least where the suit 1 day or a few laps at bogie before I send it to bills.

Although he mentioned something about no velcro at all and using elastic cuff or something for $20.

I'm just gonna go with the velcro me thinks.

I didn't know about the collar until today so I have to call him and ask how much.

[rlucas]

I only tried to the suit on when I got it but I don't recall the snaps bothering me much. I intentionally made the sleeve a little short though cause the sleeves in my jacket bother me when I'm crouched down. My jacket also has snaps though, is velcro the standard for suits? The collar definitely has to go though and if that's being done, might as well switch to velcro at the same time.

Also, I just want to mention to any potential buyers that the suit is excellent quality and highly recommended. I've already talked to a couple people I know and I know you'll be getting at least 1 order, possibly more.

[benprobst]

Interesting tips on leather care from a competitors site (want softer leathers?)






13. Q: How do I take care of the suit?

A: At least once a year, the leather should be conditioned with leather conditioner or mink oil to keep it from drying out. It's always best to hang your leathers up to dry thoroughly if they get wet from rain or sweat. A damp suit can be put it in the dryer on warm to keep it soft. A mild soap and water solution can be used to wipe down the soild leathers. They can also be professionally cleaned.

If youre leathers ever get TRULY wet, as in soaked, do not hand them up for an extended period of time, they will stretch, alot in some cases.

[DrummerDaveB]

I took a look at the collar just now, almost seems like I could remove the stitching myself and just remove the collar myself. From the from it looks like the suit has an edge under the collar. Just not sure if it goes all the way around.

Dave - or anyone else. When they add a collar on to a suit. Is it just that? Just stitched on top of the regular suit? If thats the case i will remove the collar myself and at least where the suit 1 day or a few laps at bogie before I send it to bills.



I cant tell you exactly how the collar is stitched to the suit. It is built into the suit, so there's no telling exactly what you would get if you take it off yourself. I would assume if BB takes it off, he'll add a roll of leather at the top to keep hard edges from rubbing against your neck.
You could always take it off yourself, and if you need to send it to BB to have him add the roll or whatever.

[DrummerDaveB]

If youre leathers ever get TRULY wet, as in soaked, do not hand them up for an extended period of time, they will stretch, alot in some cases.


Oh, and for you guys who want to stretch out your suits - something you could do is take a shower in them, then go riding for a few hours. That should help speed up the process.

[Shenanigans]

Thats what i did with mine a few years back. Works great.

[rabbit73]

The suit with no hump appears to be a totally different design. Any other pics of it?

Any pics of the liner system?

[DrummerDaveB]

The suit with no hump appears to be a totally different design. Any other pics of it?

Any pics of the liner system?


Do you mean the ladies suit?

No pics, but it's zip out around the upper part, and velcro out at the sleeves and legs.

[rabbit73]

I assumed the red/blk 2pc was a ladies. This looks like the same design but in a 1pc:
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj272/drummerdaveb/PICT3927.jpg
Any word on when you'll be offering a men's 2pc?

[DrummerDaveB]

Yeah, same design but a 1pc. Made for the ladies, although the red/black one a guy had me make for him. I havent heard how it looks on him though.


The men's 2pc wont be available for a couple months. I got a mens 2pc prototype in this order, but there are some things I would like to change before offering it.
If you're planning to use it at the track, I'd have to highly recommend a 1pc anyway. 2pc suits just have so much stuff around your waist they restrict your movement.

[rabbit73]

If you're planning to use it at the track, I'd have to highly recommend a 2pc anyway. 1pc suits just have so much stuff around your waist they restrict your movement.
I think you got that backwards!

Thanks for the info. I just wasn't sure if the "no hump" design followed a different pattern or it was an exception. I've been spending the last hour playing with the color template in paint. Too many choices!!!!

[DrummerDaveB]

I think you got that backwards!

Thanks for the info. I just wasn't sure if the "no hump" design followed a different pattern or it was an exception. I've been spending the last hour playing with the color template in paint. Too many choices!!!!

Oops. Yup, backward. Fixed now.

[DrummerDaveB]

Here's one from Louisville-Sportbikes.com

Board member - Tragic
I'm gonna try to get out and ride this weekend, if anyone wants to check out the one-piece in person.

Fits like a glove; thanks, Dave!

[dunkchamp55]

anyone have any pics with their spartan suit on????

[DrummerDaveB]

Here's another review, with a pic:

http://www.kawiforums.com/showpost.php?p=1401484&postcount=25

[DrummerDaveB]

Hey guys, if anybody is interested in ordering a suit at the original $425, and getting in before the price increase, the next order cutoff date is Oct 10th.

[DrummerDaveB]

Some of you guys were asking about removing the collar yourself - this guy did it. Seems to like it, although he wants to put some neoprene there for the edges of the leather.

He's also got pics of himself wearing the suit.

http://forum.svrider.com/showthread.php?t=86070

[DrummerDaveB]

Only 4 more days until the price increase!

Get 'em now so you've got them when the next riding season starts!

[barnacle bill]

Dave has already contacted us about our repair and alterations services as he is just down the road in Louisville and many have called to ask. yes, we can remove the collar and install a rolled trim in either leather or textile for 40.00 and shipping . lettering is still 8.00 each any style or color and all we use are brass zippers. we'd have to see the suit and style to price an alteration though . wish you the best in your endeavours and the best to all. barnacle bill and darethea

[EMathy]

Dave has already contacted us about our repair and alterations services as he is just down the road in Louisville and many have called to ask. yes, we can remove the collar and install a rolled trim in either leather or textile for 40.00 and shipping . lettering is still 8.00 each any style or color and all we use are brass zippers. we'd have to see the suit and style to price an alteration though . wish you the best in your endeavours and the best to all. barnacle bill and darethea

Bill, as always, is nothing but a class act. :up:

Hope you're doing well, Bill!

[rlucas]

I finally got around to wearing my suit on the track this past weekend and I think the sizing issues I experienced are going to be fine. I also had the collar cut down and resewed and it's 100% better now. All in all I was very happy with it at the end of the day.

[DrummerDaveB]

I finally got around to wearing my suit on the track this past weekend and I think the sizing issues I experienced are going to be fine. I also had the collar cut down and resewed and it's 100% better now. All in all I was very happy with it at the end of the day.

Richard,
Any pics of your modified collar? I'd love to see what you had done.
Thx!

[rlucas]

I'll get some pics of the collar when I get a chance. In the mean time, here's some pics of the suit in action:

http://mwaphoto.smugmug.com/gallery/6348920_vhF2M#401438907_XGJnC

[DrummerDaveB]

Nice pics!
I wanted to go to Putnam last wkd, but wasnt able.

[DrummerDaveB]

BTW, here are a couple modifications I am making to my suits starting with the current order.

1) No collar is now standard.
2) If you request a collar, it will be made of Neoprene, rather than leather, so that should help greatly w/ the comfort issues.
3) Stretch leather panels on back of arms will be added to allow better flexibility.

[DrummerDaveB]

For the month of November, get free back lettering with the purchase of a suit. :up:

Coupon code: FreeLettering

[BuiltforSin]

Once I finally sell my suit, and get the money up I will be looking at these suits. :up:

[DrummerDaveB]

Thought you guys might like to see some of the suits I got in this order.
Some changes that have been made, which will be standard from this point forward are:
1) Side seam (that runs from arm pit to ankle) is now triple stitched instead of double.
2) Softer leather (Yea!)
3) Brass zippers are now standard in the calf and wrist
4) No collar is now standard, but when collars are requested, they are made much softer w/ neoprene and some sort of padded leather material on the inside - no additional charge
5) No more snap at the wrist - it is now velcro.
6) Stretch leather at the back of the elbow for better flexibility.
7) Replaced stiffer forearm padding w/ another layer of leather.

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj272/drummerdaveb/Spartan/102_0049.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj272/drummerdaveb/Spartan/102_0048.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj272/drummerdaveb/Spartan/102_0073.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj272/drummerdaveb/Spartan/102_0071.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj272/drummerdaveb/Spartan/102_0077.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj272/drummerdaveb/Spartan/102_0078.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj272/drummerdaveb/Spartan/102_0079.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj272/drummerdaveb/Spartan/102_0083.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj272/drummerdaveb/Spartan/PICT3972.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj272/drummerdaveb/Spartan/PICT3973.jpg

[DrummerDaveB]

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj272/drummerdaveb/Spartan/102_0003.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj272/drummerdaveb/Spartan/102_0004.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj272/drummerdaveb/Spartan/102_0014.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj272/drummerdaveb/Spartan/102_0012.jpg
Love the lettering on this one:
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj272/drummerdaveb/Spartan/102_0013.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj272/drummerdaveb/Spartan/102_0025.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj272/drummerdaveb/Spartan/102_0023.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj272/drummerdaveb/Spartan/102_0024.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj272/drummerdaveb/Spartan/102_0032.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj272/drummerdaveb/Spartan/102_0033.jpg

[DrummerDaveB]

The men's 2pc Suit is now available - I was happy w/ this prototype.
This one has been made so the jacket is longer than your standard 2pc, and can be worn w/out the pants. You can decide how long you want it to be, depending on whether you want it for street or track.
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj272/drummerdaveb/Spartan/102_0034.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj272/drummerdaveb/Spartan/102_0035.jpg



Im also working on making these available.
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj272/drummerdaveb/Spartan/102_0029.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj272/drummerdaveb/Spartan/102_0030.jpg

I have some tweaks I want to make to the jacket design. Mostly small stuff - move the front pockets to outside the trim, take off the shoulder vents, modify the rear stretch to just be behind the arms rather than going up toward the neck, maybe some softer armor (Im not really digging the GP armor in a street jacket), Thinner velcro strap on arms, and more keprotec on the inside of the elbows.

[superbikestore]

Looking good Dave! Coming right along nicely.

[jimmyboost]

My girlfriend found this last night. Nice work...photoshopped?

http://neatorama.cachefly.net/misscellania/450racingleathers.jpg

[DrummerDaveB]

Yes, it is a photochop.

Somebody on SVRider thought it would be funny to put me in pink. :wow:

So now Im an internet legend as the flamer wearing Hello Kitty leathers.

[racedk6]

Shit if you custom make me some leathers that were hello kitty pink and GAVE them to me I would wear them.

[APA]

Sweet leathers.
Hey Dave........did you lend me your bike for the Indy Dealer Convention last year?

[DrummerDaveB]

Sweet leathers.
Hey Dave........did you lend me your bike for the Indy Dealer Convention last year?

Nope. Must've been somebody else. . .. although I was there last year - will be again this year (just visiting, not exhibiting).

[APA]

Nope. Must've been somebody else. . .. although I was there last year - will be again this year (just visiting, not exhibiting).

He was from your area and you looked like him..... but then again....... I crashed a couple times since then on my MXer and hit my head :wow:

He brought his TL for me to display my Muffler Sliders on.

[bEeR]

I was glad to get them in the other day Dave, the only thing I was a little unhappy with was where the ankles were a little big. Other than that they were great. I will definately get another set whenever this set is worn out.

[DrummerDaveB]

Hey Guys -
From now until the end of the year, you'll get a free back protector w/ the purchase of a custom suit.
That's a $50 value.

Use the coupon code "ProtectMyBack"
To use it, add a suit and back protector to your cart, and use that coupon code on checkout.

[omnivore]

If buyer has back protector already does $50 discount apply?

[DrummerDaveB]

If buyer has back protector already does $50 discount apply?

Nope. :D

But, I'll tell you what I'll do. I need orders. So, if you order by the 31st, I'll give you a free zipper upgrade AND back lettering if you dont want a back protector.



BTW guys, I just found out that somebody has crashed in one of my suits.
I really dont have much of anything in the way of details yet - Im trying to contact the guy who crashed, but he had posted up in one forum saying "It held up for one crash so far." But that's all I know at this point.
I know a few people are holding off buying until there are crash reports, so I'll be getting you the info asap.

[royalgixxer]

PMed ya.... and bump for a great looking product!!:up::beer:

[DrummerDaveB]

Hey Guys, I finally got some more info on the crashed suit, so here it is.

The owner (Keith from NH), lowsided at about 80 on turn 12 at (I think he said) Loudon.
He slid about 30 yards, hit the wall, then slid for about 20 more yards. This did occur in the rain.

The suit held together completely. The exposed seams in the center of the butt wore off, but as it is a multiple stitched seam, it held together, and when I spoke to him he tugged on the seam and said it appeared it was still holding fine.

He told me he wouldnt hesitate to crash in it again, and that he was 100% happy with it.

He's supposed to be sending me some pics of the crash damage, and I'll post them up asap when I receive them.

[bEeR]

That's good to hear, I took mine out to ride in for the first time this past weekend. They felt great.

[KneeDragger_c69]

up for what seems to be an excellent deal, with excellent quality.
I mentionned you on my forum, here in Quebec Canada!
www.m4e.com

My next suit is coming from u, for sure! :up:
...but not the pink one!:tut:
:p


Congrats

[KneeDragger_c69]

One question that I have, that might turn into information for you and other members.

Are you aware of these types of stitchings?
You do mention double and triple stitching but it would be nice to know if it's "Top stitch"; "Inseam" or "Inseam with Top stitch" and so on...
This might help you to redesign the stitching for your suits, making them much stronger on impacts and making them a bigger seller.

This page is a must for all those that are looking to purchase racing suits!
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b38/Bernstorm/IMG.jpg

[DrummerDaveB]

One question that I have, that might turn into information for you and other members.

Are you aware of these types of stitchings?
You do mention double and triple stitching but it would be nice to know if it's "Top stitch"; "Inseam" or "Inseam with Top stitch" and so on...
This might help you to redesign the stitching for your suits, making them much stronger on impacts and making them a bigger seller.

This page is a must for all those that are looking to purchase racing suits!
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b38/Bernstorm/IMG.jpg

This is the type of seam that is used:
I cant tell you the exact name as it looks different from those you showed.
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj272/drummerdaveb/Spartan/Triple_Stitch_seam.jpg

[KneeDragger_c69]

Looks like the single inseam with top stitch... and maybe a bit more!
It's the minimal required for protective panel... and maybe more of course!

Not bad... :)

[Lizard 1]

I won;t comment on these suits and leave it to Bill and Alexa make comments when they get these for alterations. I just wanted to clarify to those out there that the comment at the beginning where it was stated that 90% of suits come from Pakistan is not true at all.

Companies try and avoid Pakistan made leathers due to several reasons and not willing to go there as this isn't the place. But, just wanted to inform a lot of you that suits made by a lot of the top guys like we all typically see at the track aren't from Pakistan...

[forceten]

Bill has my suit right now.

[Wade Parish]

Well thank you so much for that completely vague and pointless post, Lizard 1.
I get the sense that I should be wary of these suits but I still have no idea why!

You obviously feel compelled to warn people about something, yet "this isn't the place" and you "won't comment on these suits".

So I guess what I'm trying to say is: Grow some balls and say whats on your mind, or shut up.

kiss kiss

[Lizard 1]

Well thank you so much for that completely vague and pointless post, Lizard 1.
I get the sense that I should be wary of these suits but I still have no idea why!

You obviously feel compelled to warn people about something, yet "this isn't the place" and you "won't comment on these suits".

So I guess what I'm trying to say is: Grow some balls and say whats on your mind, or shut up.

kiss kiss

Really poor quality leather comes from Pakistan. Good for ya? I was just pointing out that if someone was to research a bit, they'd see that these suits aren't custom like what you'd get with Alexa and Bill. Didn't really want to get in a pissing match, but you seem hell bent on doing so.

Bottom line is you get what you pay for and I get a little upset at people that are vague or get small amounts of information and blow it up in an effort to pursuade people to buy from them.

At the same time, it is an economical alternative and good on him and good luck to him. However, I just think proper info should be put forth and that's really up to him - not me. I'm just here to say Pakistan leather ain't the norm in the industry except with really poor quality leather.

Too often, people come to this site in an effort to find out things that they feel they need, but lack the money to get. Instead of buying a Celtic suit at STG or buying a good used higher end suit for a couple of hundred dollars more, they feel this is a new suit that is "custom", has been compared with 90% of the industry and therefore would be a great suit. They think they are getting a $1000 quality suit for $475. That's not true.

[Wade Parish]

No, I am not "hell bent on getting in a pissing match."
I was annoyed at you for vaguely implying that these leathers might be sub-standard but then not saying what your exact beef was... as though you're doing somebody a favor or something?

But congratulations! It looks like you grew a pair, and I sincerely thank you!
I was/am considering buying a set of these leathers, and I appreciate that if you do have a real concern about the quality, you have the nerve to speak up with something more than vague conjecture.

[Lizard 1]

No, I am not "hell bent on getting in a pissing match."
I was annoyed at you for vaguely implying that these leathers might be sub-standard but then not saying what your exact beef was... as though you're doing somebody a favor or something?

But congratulations! It looks like you grew a pair, and I sincerely thank you!
I was/am considering buying a set of these leathers, and I appreciate that if you do have a real concern about the quality, you have the nerve to speak up with something more than vague conjecture.

Gotcha. I'm just not an expert, but know a few guys that are really well versed in the leather business relating to street apparel. I was hoping Alexa or Bill would chime in as I think their opinions are well received by most as it is their job.

I just knew the Pakistan thing and I know a few issues about quality control they have. Essentially, it is cheaper to produce out of Pakistan, but the way they do things is why most companies do not go there anymore...

[(diet)DrThunder]

Really poor quality leather comes from Pakistan. Good for ya? I was just pointing out that if someone was to research a bit, they'd see that these suits aren't custom like what you'd get with Alexa and Bill. Didn't really want to get in a pissing match, but you seem hell bent on doing so.

Bottom line is you get what you pay for and I get a little upset at people that are vague or get small amounts of information and blow it up in an effort to pursuade people to buy from them.


The real bottom line is that people who don't actually have any personal experience with the product should reserve judgment until they do. This guy has never once given any vague information nor has he tried to 'blow up' any information to make his product seem like something it isn't.

[rlucas]

Bottom line is you get what you pay for and I get a little upset at people that are vague or get small amounts of information and blow it up in an effort to pursuade people to buy from them.


What is the difference with this vs. being vague and giving small amounts of information and blow it up in an effort to persuade people not to buy from someone? :confused:

[(diet)DrThunder]

What is the difference with this vs. being vague and giving small amounts of information and blow it up in an effort to persuade people not to buy from someone? :confused:

Touche :)

[Lizard 1]

The real bottom line is that people who don't actually have any personal experience with the product should reserve judgment until they do. This guy has never once given any vague information nor has he tried to 'blow up' any information to make his product seem like something it isn't.

Well, saying that 90% of leather suits are made in Pakistan is not true. It's either poor information or he's trying to make it sound better.

I don't need to physically have any personal experience to judge based on what I see and how it stacks up to other suits on the market. I have been around suits for a LONG time and work for some pretty well versed leather people.

There's an ethical deal in buying leathers from Pakistan, as well. They do some pretty bad things over there and personally, if I were working with a company, I would try and get them to go somewhere else.

Point is I wish him luck, but in the end, a lot of people will come on here and with little information, think they are getting a good quality suit for pennies vs. others out there. I mean, if it is made with the same materials, same thickness and in the same factories as most suits we are able to buy, why wouldn't someone buy a $475 suit vs. a $1000 one? It comes across as being stated like that...

If you think I am being vague about things in an effort to pursuade people to NOT buy, I am not trying to do that at all. I just am simply trying to get people to become educated and really look at what matters. These suits we wear are for safety. If you want to compromise safety for the sake of saving money, that's cool. But, realize that these are not quality suits. Maybe for a street rider, but not a racer...

[DrummerDaveB]

Well, saying that 90% of leather suits are made in Pakistan is not true. It's either poor information or he's trying to make it sound better.

I don't need to physically have any personal experience to judge based on what I see and how it stacks up to other suits on the market. I have been around suits for a LONG time and work for some pretty well versed leather people.

There's an ethical deal in buying leathers from Pakistan, as well. They do some pretty bad things over there and personally, if I were working with a company, I would try and get them to go somewhere else.

Point is I wish him luck, but in the end, a lot of people will come on here and with little information, think they are getting a good quality suit for pennies vs. others out there. I mean, if it is made with the same materials, same thickness and in the same factories as most suits we are able to buy, why wouldn't someone buy a $475 suit vs. a $1000 one? It comes across as being stated like that...

If you think I am being vague about things in an effort to pursuade people to NOT buy, I am not trying to do that at all. I just am simply trying to get people to become educated and really look at what matters. These suits we wear are for safety. If you want to compromise safety for the sake of saving money, that's cool. But, realize that these are not quality suits. Maybe for a street rider, but not a racer...


Well, I appreciate that you dislike Pakistani products.
But that doesnt mean my suits are poor quality.

Alexa has one of my suits right now, and from what I have heard, she has only good things to say about it.
But Lizard, how about you personally contact Alexa and ask her what she thinks about the suit's quality, and report back here.


So, Im curious. . . where exactly is the Celtic suit made?
How about Teknic's suits?
Fieldsheer?
Astars?

[Lizard 1]

Well, I appreciate that you dislike Pakistani products.
But that doesnt mean my suits are poor quality.

Alexa has one of my suits right now, and from what I have heard, she has only good things to say about it.
But Lizard, how about you personally contact Alexa and ask her what she thinks about the suit's quality, and report back here.


So, Im curious. . . where exactly is the Celtic suit made?
How about Teknic's suits?
Fieldsheer?
Astars?


I've talked with Alexa and she is available to anyone who wants her opinion. If she feels it is meaningful to comment, she will. I think if anyone was going to buy a suit, they should talk to her. I won't speak for her and I won't bring her into this unless she wants to be.

The suits you refer are made in Chine or other places like Vietnam, etc. Not Pakistan. Also, quality is an opinion of yours and I appreciate it, but when compared side by side, they fall short. Do you believe they are the same toe to toe quality as the suits you listed?

[DrummerDaveB]

I've talked with Alexa and she is available to anyone who wants her opinion. If she feels it is meaningful to comment, she will. I think if anyone was going to buy a suit, they should talk to her. I won't speak for her and I won't bring her into this unless she wants to be.

The suits you refer are made in Chine or other places like Vietnam, etc. Not Pakistan. Also, quality is an opinion of yours and I appreciate it, but when compared side by side, they fall short. Do you believe they are the same toe to toe quality as the suits you listed?



Alright then, I will let you hold your opinion, and there's no point in fighting with you.

Since Lizard wont divulge what she said, I encourage anyone who wants to contact Alexa then, and ask her.

And how about this? How about everybody check the labels in your suits, whatever the brand, and post up. We'll find out where various suits are made, cause Im curious now as to where each brand has their leathers made.

[konnor.munk]

Hey Lizard Komodo is made in Pakistan and I happen to hold them in very high regard only been down in them a few times and know quite a few others who have also. Lizard are you just bored and trying to start crap with people or what check your facts before you start poking around you tool.:D

[Brian Van]

Well, I appreciate that you dislike Pakistani products.
But that doesnt mean my suits are poor quality.

Alexa has one of my suits right now, and from what I have heard, she has only good things to say about it.
But Lizard, how about you personally contact Alexa and ask her what she thinks about the suit's quality, and report back here.


So, Im curious. . . where exactly is the Celtic suit made?
How about Teknic's suits?
Fieldsheer?
Astars?

The Celtic suit is exactly assembled in one of the worlds very best factories, Kido, which is located in China. I choose this factory because of the quality workmanship they offer. This choice resulted in a reduced margin, I felt the quality was more important. The Celtic has an incredible reputation for both protection and durability. This is a fact I am rather proud of as the redesign of the suit for 2008 was something I am responsible for.

Teknic suits are assembled for the most part in Vietnam.

At this time we have choosen not to offer the Fieldsheer line so I am unsure where they are made.

Alpinestars suits are assembled in multiple locations, one of which is not Pakistan.

[DrummerDaveB]

The Celtic suit is exactly assembled in one of the worlds very best factories, Kido, which is located in China. I choose this factory because of the quality workmanship they offer. This choice resulted in a reduced margin, I felt the quality was more important. The Celtic has an incredible reputation for both protection and durability. This is a fact I am rather proud of as the redesign of the suit for 2008 was something I am responsible for.

Teknic suits are assembled for the most part in Vietnam.

At this time we have choosen not to offer the Fieldsheer line so I am unsure where they are made.

Alpinestars suits are assembled in multiple locations, one of which is not Pakistan.


Good to know Brian. Thanks for the info.

So, I'll go ahead and say, my assertion that 90% of leathers are made in PK is incorrect. I apologize for that. I should have checked my facts before stating it.

I still stand behind the quality of my suits.

[Dave K]

I'm a f@cking asshole when it comes to choosing a suit. I've bugged the crap out of Van about the Celtic suit. A few things bothered me BUT I'll be buying a set.

Sorry for the thread jack away from DD's suits. I've been checking them out and if the pink hello kitties ones were available. . .

[Lizard 1]

Alright then, I will let you hold your opinion, and there's no point in fighting with you.

Since Lizard wont divulge what she said, I encourage anyone who wants to contact Alexa then, and ask her.

And how about this? How about everybody check the labels in your suits, whatever the brand, and post up. We'll find out where various suits are made, cause Im curious now as to where each brand has their leathers made.

Understand that you may find suits that have a Pakistan label. Some companies were using Pakistan before. However, with the way they pollute, cure leather, poor quality control and labor issues, most have pulled out.

I appreciate you saying you should have researched before you spoke. It was kind of what I was getting at...

[Lizard 1]

Hey Lizard Komodo is made in Pakistan and I happen to hold them in very high regard only been down in them a few times and know quite a few others who have also. Lizard are you just bored and trying to start crap with people or what check your facts before you start poking around you tool.:D


Are you sure their current product mix is made in Pakistan?? I was almost positive they are not, but maybe I was told differently...

Now their earlier stuff could have been and maybe some select textiles, but I doubt they do much of anything in Pakistan that is in their higher end area...

I might be wrong, but as I stated before, some used to, but now do not and usually are China, Vietnam or even places like Costa Rica, etc...

[BC]

The Celtic suit is exactly assembled in one of the worlds very best factories, Kido, which is located in China. I choose this factory because of the quality workmanship they offer. This choice resulted in a reduced margin, I felt the quality was more important. The Celtic has an incredible reputation for both protection and durability. This is a fact I am rather proud of as the redesign of the suit for 2008 was something I am responsible for.

Teknic suits are assembled for the most part in Vietnam.

At this time we have choosen not to offer the Fieldsheer line so I am unsure where they are made.

Alpinestars suits are assembled in multiple locations, one of which is not Pakistan.

Where were those top notch Motogp Roo suits you were pimpin made?

[Dave K]

Where were those top notch Motogp Roo suits you were pimpin made?

China.

[BC]

Are you sure their current product mix is made in Pakistan?? I was almost positive they are not, but maybe I was told differently...

Now their earlier stuff could have been and maybe some select textiles, but I doubt they do much of anything in Pakistan that is in their higher end area...

I might be wrong, but as I stated before, some used to, but now do not and usually are China, Vietnam or even places like Costa Rica, etc...

Pretty obvious why your ragging on this guy after looking at your sig line.

What a great way to promote a business, talk shit about the competition.

Your my fuckin hero, Lizard.

[DrummerDaveB]

Understand that you may find suits that have a Pakistan label. Some companies were using Pakistan before. However, with the way they pollute, cure leather, poor quality control and labor issues, most have pulled out.

I appreciate you saying you should have researched befor you spoke. It was kind of what I was getting at...

And China cares more about pollution than PK? And quality control? You know, like painting Kid's toys w/ lead paint and putting melamine in their formula. . .

Not that China is worse, but the country of origin does not necessarily have anything to do w/ the quality of the product.

I've been nothing but impressed by the products I've gotten from this manufacturer. The leather quality continues to improve (and Im having them prepare even higher quality leather for me that Im going to be evaluating within the next month), and the more suits they make for me, the more they perfect their technique building them.

[DrummerDaveB]

Oh, Lizard, I wasnt avoiding your question eariler. . .
I would hold my leathers up to any name brand suit (Teknic, FS, Astar, etc) in the same price range, confident it would be at least as good and probably better, but custom fit.

[Wade Parish]

...I've been nothing but impressed by the products I've gotten from this manufacturer. The leather quality continues to improve (and Im having them prepare even higher quality leather for me that Im going to be evaluating within the next month), and the more suits they make for me, the more they perfect their technique building them.

Well, sorry Dave, but all of your actual experience with the manufacturer and the product and the customers who've purchased that product amounts to nothing.

Without ever seeing one of your suits, Lizard is capable of determining their exact worth and has concluded that they are of poor quality.

Man, you're screwed.
I bet you must really feel stupid now, huh?

[DrummerDaveB]

Well, sorry Dave, but all of your actual experience with the manufacturer and the product and the customers who've purchased that product amounts to nothing.

Without ever seeing one of your suits, Lizard is capable of determining their exact worth and has concluded that they are of poor quality.

Man, you're screwed.
I bet you must really feel stupid now, huh?


Horribly stupid. The humiliation is just too much.

I guess I should just give up now, and if you dont fit into rack sizes, and you dont have $1000, then you dont need leathers anyway. . . right?

[Brian Van]

Where were those top notch Motogp Roo suits you were pimpin made?

China I believe. Those suits started off fantastic and went south from there. The initial run of the roo suits were solid performers. I believe Alexa had actually had that as her best value pick if memory serves me.

Pretty sure those suits were made by Madiff (sp?)

[forceten]

I don't know what alexa thinks about the suits but I like mine. I will be asking Bill what he thinks of the spartan suit this weekend.

And of course something like Bills suit is gonna be better. But his can be $1,200 or more. For those of us that wanna spend less then half that and still get a custom suit then this seems to be a great option.

Don't know who you are lizard, but have you bought or seen a spartan in person? Like i said i don't know what alexa said and will be curious to see what bill says. For my money i think i got a good deal. And now that somebody crashed in one and it held up I'm even more happy about the purchase.

[Lizard 1]

Pretty obvious why your ragging on this guy after looking at your sig line.

What a great way to promote a business, talk shit about the competition.

Your my fuckin hero, Lizard.

Nice. One reason why I really didn't want to get involved. If someone who makes an opinion and it is supportive and positive and they are not very involved in the background of leather making and such, it's perfectly fine.

Someone comes in and makes comments about quality and the fact that MOST companies DO NOT go to Pakistan to make their products and has some decent background to substantiate those comments, he gets chastised.

Of course Wade's issue is that I haven't bought one or looked at one in person and cannot SURELY judge quality by looking at specs, the way they stitch, the way they place seams, the way they place stretch materials, etc and judge them.

Brian Van comes on here and is MUCH more PC about it and validates what I have been saying, but it's cool. Nobody trashes him.

My points were simple. I NEVER bashed DD and his efforts, I wished him luck, and I simply wanted to educate some folks if they were in the market. You CAN compare a $475 suit to an AStar $475 suit like DD mentioned and possibly be perfect toe to toe. I was referring and asking him to state he'd place his suits up against any suit from AStar or other comparable suit that has the same basic features - aero hump and the related. That pretty much fits into the suits I mentioned...

It gets to a point on the WERA board where there are so called experts when it comes to comparing things. I've tried to be nice and such. However, there are guys speaking up that have either bought from DD or are friends with DD or are looking at these suits as a viable option and they CANNOT stand that there could be someone who might want others to know what they are getting into and that these suits might be inferior (GASP!) even though the seller says they are toe to toe the same as more expensive suits. He is saying such things which makes this even more scary. I understand supporting the brands that provide you income. I appreciate the passion people have for start up companies, even. But please do not mislead the people that these are the same quality as other $1000 suits out there. Please. You can say these are great entry level suits for budget conscious buyers and a great choice for someone who cannot afford $1000 suits. But please don't say they are custom, that they are as good as the higher priced suits and that they are made in the same country as a majority of the other companies out there.

Why are the suits at Alexa's and BB's? If they are custom like what BB makes or Syed makes, etc. and come with the name on the back and such, why would they need to be sent to them? Alterations? I'm asking... Not bashing here...

[Lizard 1]

I don't know what alexa thinks about the suits but I like mine. I will be asking Bill what he thinks of the spartan suit this weekend.

And of course something like Bills suit is gonna be better. But his can be $1,200 or more. For those of us that wanna spend less then half that and still get a custom suit then this seems to be a great option.

Don't know who you are lizard, but have you bought or seen a spartan in person? Like i said i don't know what alexa said and will be curious to see what bill says. For my money i think i got a good deal. And now that somebody crashed in one and it held up I'm even more happy about the purchase.

I think if it is a good deal to you, you got a good deal. It does matter what the customer thinks for sure and there will be a lot of happy folks. I just started out in this thread and as usual, got dragged in deeper than I wanted to. I just wanted to make sure people knew some facts as opposed to some of the comments that were being tossed out...

Good luck with your suit and I am sure that if you have BB doing it and working on it, he'll make it better and make it work great.

[Lizard 1]

Oh, Lizard, I wasnt avoiding your question eariler. . .
I would hold my leathers up to any name brand suit (Teknic, FS, Astar, etc) in the same price range, confident it would be at least as good and probably better, but custom fit.


Like I said - at the same price range, maybe. I was referring to the comment where you stated they were in par with suits that cost $1000 or more...

Good luck on your venture. I was sincere when I stated that. It gets cloudy real quick when guys get bent on what you say and such... I even try to reach out in PMs and talk with people at times to express my feelings, but it gets me in trouble and they get even more upset. So, good luck and happy selling. My suggestion is to keep to the facts and do some fact finding before you compare things.

How often do you get to the factory to view QC, production and evaluating the pieces as they are being made? Or, do they send you samples for evaluation? Just curious.

[forceten]

My suit is at BB's to re letter it to make it look more like I want in the lettering, to remove the collar (was riding into my neck somewhat) and to put velcro on cuffs instead of a button snap.

So just a few minor adjustments........

Custom for me meant custom size...... i can't get a suit off the rack to fit me right. Either they are way too tight up top and a good length or they are good up top and I have to stuff the legs into my boots. So one that was cut and put together for my body size is what custom meant to me. Not sure what custom is suppose to mean but for me it was sizing.

The only problem I saw with the suit is the leather is a bit stiff. Was hard to move around in first time off the bat. I assume that will soften up with time and use. Not a big issue for me and for the money I spent I can't expect a top top notch suit. Like you said you get what you pay for.

Most important thing is will it hold up in a crash and protect me............... The stitching seems good, and even stiff leather should hold up some and not eat through in a slide (i hope)

[ToddClark]

Are you sure their current product mix is made in Pakistan?? I was almost positive they are not, but maybe I was told differently...

Now their earlier stuff could have been and maybe some select textiles, but I doubt they do much of anything in Pakistan that is in their higher end area...

I might be wrong, but as I stated before, some used to, but now do not and usually are China, Vietnam or even places like Costa Rica, etc...so.......educate me. I just recieved a brand new set of the top of the line Komodo's, and yes, they were made in Pakistan. Does that mean their quality is shit? Just curious here. :)

[Canadian Bacon]

so.......educate me. I just recieved a brand new set of the top of the line Komodo's, and yes, they were made in Pakistan. Does that mean their quality is shit? Just curious here. :)
Exactly, why does where the suit is manufactured make a difference? As long as they are using the specfied design materials, processes and QC it does not matter where it is made. Manufacturing a suit is very labor intensive (I would assume), it would be a lot more cost effective to make it over seas. As long as all of the above is in place who really cares (in regards to quality of the suit, I don't want to get into the whole made in USA debate).

[Lizard 1]

so.......educate me. I just recieved a brand new set of the top of the line Komodo's, and yes, they were made in Pakistan. Does that mean their quality is shit? Just curious here. :)


Well, if it is done in Pakistan, I can't say how well they are made. From what I have seen with Komodo is that they incorporate some good materials like 3M, Dupont Coolmax, Carbon Kevlar, Dupont products, Knox stuff, Italian made armor, Scoeller products, etc. So, if they are outsourcing products and having them assembled in Pakistan, I guess they might be considered higher end. I think if the leather comes from Pakistan and is cured and produced for production in Pakistan, it could be lower grade.

However, understand that companies like Komodo probably have people that travel to the factories multiple times a year or quarter to evaluate the product and the assembly of it. Not saying that is better, but saying they may be doing something different. They don't have things shipped to them and evaluate from here and never travel constantly back and forth, I suspect. I hope...

There are some serious difference that I see if we compare the KFX (I think that's the top suit) and the Spartan. A LOT of differences that will reduce the overall cost put into the Spartan suit. There are a lot of things that the Spartan suit doesn't do that even sub $1000 suits incorporate. Things like articulation as an obvious example. Again, don't need to own one to see it on the site and the pics listed around the net. There's little to no articulation. Other issues like where stretch panels are located, how the seams are placed.

Using higher end products within the suit (Schoeller, Dupont, Coolmax, Italian armor, etc) will increase the amount of cost tremendously.

It really isn't an issue to me where it is made as much as the fact that Spartan compares themselves to $1000 suits and says they are the same for less money. The fact that the information they produce is somewhat misleading.

So, let's compare the Komodo to the Spartan. Are you Komodo wearing guys paying too much? The Spartan suit claims you are. If the Spartan guys are saying the leather is of the same quality as the komodo suit and the stitching, internals and externals specs are what they are, the $1000 plus Komodos are too high priced.

Personally, I am not sold on the leather from Pakistan and how it is developed. Now, if Komodo is doing it differently and outsourcing the leather, it could be a big difference. Problem is, I doubt you get any manufacturer to chime in here and point out things between their suits and the Spartans. It will be perceived as a waste of time.

Again, Komodo can be making their suits in Pakistan. They aren't the majority of the ones making suits. The Pakistan thing is getting beat and then drug into other areas that aren't the same as what I am saying.

Fact is that Pakistan leather is known for having some issues. You can try and turn around the labor issues in China, but understand a few things. Yes, there are issues, but overall, there are a LOT of factories that are very good at what they do and are sought after by companies due to the fact that they are phenomenal with QC and quality products.

When you weigh in the things that make them different, you can see why companies choose Vietnam and China over Pakistan.

If Komodo is coming out of Pakistan and use leather that is processed in Pakistan and they are at the level they are in terms of quality and such, then yes, they are a decent suit from that area of the world. But, the Spartan suit is from the same place apparently and yet they say they are better or at least as good for less money.

What I would like to see is the material they use. A listing for everyone to see what they use and then compare them to what others are using. Saying 1.4 full grain cowhide isn't telling us what leather they are using. What are the stretch panels made of? What brand? The liner? The type of thread being used and the source of it? Who makes the armor?

The thing is that as exampled by Komodo, if they are using off brand and inferior type products, that is how the cost is lower. It isn't a labor of love where they build a Komodo quality suit and then avoid the profit by simply selling at their cost and passing it on to you.

There are so many dollars attached to imported textiles. There is also a set amount allowed to be shipped in. Things like that add to costs. The amount produced and the the amount of the products used within the suit make the cost what it is...

Flame on, I guess...

[superbikestore]

I would only add that the environmental issues with manufacturing that were brought up are not exactly the whole story, since it is no secret that China has severe manufacturing environmental issues, labor issues, and human rights issues. If that is the case against pakistan then it should be even more of a case against China.

[Lizard 1]

Exactly, why does where the suit is manufactured make a difference? As long as they are using the specfied design materials, processes and QC it does not matter where it is made. Manufacturing a suit is very labor intensive (I would assume), it would be a lot more cost effective to make it over seas. As long as all of the above is in place who really cares (in regards to quality of the suit, I don't want to get into the whole made in USA debate).

It has nothing to do with US vs. outside the US. Where did that even come around? I will compare products made in Chine, Costa Rica, Vietnam and such vs. Pakistan.

But, you are absolutely correct. Specified design materials, processes and QC should be what measures how good or bad a suit is. There are PLENTY of issues around the way leather is processed in Pakistan. Again, if Komodo is doing something different, I would have to let them prove that. If they are as Spartan is saying and getting the leather from and processed in Pakistan, then it is and has been shown to be inferior to that processed in the other countries mentioned.

You are also right about cost is less being made overseas. China is cheaper than being made here. It's a fact and it sucks, but it is fact. Therefore, when compared to Pakistan, those other things you mentioned are how they are compared and judged.

Unfortunately, I am not a leather suit/jacket making company, but I do know some of the processes and know people who are even deeper in the process than DD is. MUCH deeper. The Pakistan leather debate is always on the list for discussion and they tell us why they choose to leave or why they choose to go to Vietnam or China... They are good reasons and they are something that I think everyone would agree on.

My point is that it doesn't matter where they are from. Just don't say they are just as good as the others that are better... Don't say things that are false in an effort to make the way you do things sound better. Let the quality and the QC and customer service be the basis of your business. Sounds as if he has got the customer service part down pat. I think that goes a LONG way...

[Lizard 1]

I would only add that the environmental issues with manufacturing that were brought up are not exactly the whole story, since it is no secret that China has severe manufacturing environmental issues, labor issues, and human rights issues. If that is the case against pakistan then it should be even more of a case against China.


Maybe, but those issues are not the majority involved with Pakistan. Meaning, some of the best factories in the world are located in China... There are a LOT of great places within China and the way they do things has been changing constantly.

Don't use the past to judge the current as they say. Currently, there are a LOT of issues in those areas concerning Pakistan...

[superbikestore]

Maybe, but those issues are not the majority involved with Pakistan. Meaning, some of the best factories in the world are located in China... There are a LOT of great places within China and the way they do things has been changing constantly.

Don't use the past to judge the current as they say. Currently, there are a LOT of issues in those areas concerning Pakistan...

I just watched a special about 6 months ago on HD Discovery about leather tanning in China. They have killed an entire river running through the heart of china by dumping raw waste in the river. Tons of dead fish line the banks of the river. The local villagers that line the river are now starving because they relied on the river now have nothing to eat. They showed the 2 foot deep black sludge that is all over the bottom of the river hundreds of miles downstream from the leather tanneries. They also showed how the executives at the leather tanneries are paying off local officials to turn a blind eye. The government is not doing anything about it. Kids are being affected with toxic poisoning issues.

This was just last year. There are many stories and examples like this. The fact is that China's manufacturing has exploded in the last decade, they have no environmental programs or laws to deal with it, the few laws and programs there are don't get enforced due to the lack of resources. The corruption in government follows the money and not the issues. China is only making a half ass attempt at environmental issues and labor issues only in an attempt to appease the west since it was those concessions they had to make to be part of the WTO.

A 10 minute google search about these issues in China would enlighten a lot of people.

I'm just saying, if you are going to make those points then you need to include the whole story. Just as you are suggesting DD does.

[Lizard 1]

I just watched a special about 6 months ago on HD Discovery about leather tanning in China. They have killed an entire river running through the heart of china by dumping raw waste in the river. Tons of dead fish line the banks of the river. The local villagers that line the river are now starving because they relied on the river now have nothing to eat. They showed the 2 foot deep black sludge that is all over the bottom of the river hundreds of miles downstream from the leather tanneries. They also showed how the executives at the leather tanneries are paying off local officials to turn a blind eye. The government is not doing anything about it. Kids are being affected with toxic poisoning issues.

This was just last year. There are many stories and examples like this. The fact is that China's manufacturing has exploded in the last decade, they have no environmental programs or laws to deal with it, the few laws and programs there are don't get enforced due to the lack of resources. The corruption in government follows the money and not the issues. China is only making a half ass attempt at environmental issues and labor issues only in an attempt to appease the west since it was those concessions they had to make to be part of the WTO.

A 10 minute google search about these issues in China would enlighten a lot of people.

I'm just saying, if you are going to make those points then you need to include the whole story. Just as you are suggesting DD does.

Again, you are right on what you are saying, but again, some of the BEST factories for textile production are from China, as well... The issue isn't really who is doing bad, but really, who is doing bad a majority of the time.

Things like curing leather in urine, dumping waste and polluting the cities around the factories and labor issues and such can all be found in probably every part of the world. It's just that right now, Pakistan is having more occurrences than they are having greatness. Basically, it is like choosing the lesser evil or sorts.

As in anything, you can show examples to support even the US doing things that are not environmentally sound or going against labor laws in an effort to cut costs, etc. There is proof to almost anything in support of most people's arguments.

Point is simple. Ask some textile selling companies why they choose China over Pakistan. Why Vietnam. Reasons will make sense as a lot of them have had issues when dealing with factories in Pakistan. Hell, a lot have had issues in factories in China. I know personally some places that have switched factories in China due to the reasons you have mentioned in an effort to get better products made and to be able to keep a handle on QC before it is shipped out...

Great points, though and I understand where you are coming from. Like I said - lesser evil at times...

[Brian Van]

Dear Sirs,

We give good opportunity to introduce our self. We, AJWA ENTERPRISES are a manufacturer company in well known manufacturering city (Sialkot). Our company is a manufacturer of fine quality Motorbike Products and Martial Arts Products. Such as Safety Jackets, Motorbike Jackets, Motorbike Suites, Motorbike Gloves, Specially all Sorts of safety products, Marital Arts Products. Our products are CE Certified from SATRA Company.


I receive these emails daily for both STG and KNOX Armor.

There is more to making a suit than just stitching leather together, tossing some armor in it and calling it good. The truth is making a good suit requires many things mixed with real experience. Like anything else in the world your first effort may not always be the best, takes time to evolve and improve.

Delivering a quality custom suit at this $475.00 price point would be difficult. In order to produce a good suit anywhere near this price point minimum build numbers would be between 250 - 400 suits. For an order like this payment is due upon delivery which makes it even more complex.

Comparing the Spartan to our Celtic, Alpinestars, Teknic, Komodo etc.. is unfair and incorrect. All of the companies mentioned in comparison have the tools and experience in place to produce quality products. There is much more to it than then way it looks.

As a quick example let us look at Alpinestars and how they develop products. When they test the leather from a supplier they test each color because the treatment used to color the leather can influence the strength. The research and development Alpinestars uses for all of their products is impressive. Not only do they use racing in product development they also have a dedicated test lab where they test impact absorbtion, abrasion resistance etc...

Just because something is made in Pakistan does not mean it is of poor quality. Komodo is a solid example of this for sure. I would also imagine the Komodo guys are very involved in their design process and spec out all of their materials etc... I am sure they either have a real solid contact they work through or they have spent time at the factory personally to ensure good quality.

Making a good suit which can be sold at a fair price is complicated, more than just answering the email above.

[Canadian Bacon]

"There is more to making a suit than just stitching leather together, tossing some armor in it and calling it good. The truth is making a good suit requires many things mixed with real experience. Like anything else in the world your first effort may not always be the best, takes time to evolve and improve."

Delivering a quality custom suit at this $475.00 price point would be difficult. In order to produce a good suit anywhere near this price point minimum build numbers would be between 250 - 400 suits. For an order like this payment is due upon delivery which makes it even more complex.

Comparing the Spartan to our Celtic, Alpinestars, Teknic, Komodo etc.. is unfair and incorrect. All of the companies mentioned in comparison have the tools and experience in place to produce quality products. There is much more to it than then way it looks.

As a quick example let us look at Alpinestars and how they develop products. When they test the leather from a supplier they test each color because the treatment used to color the leather can influence the strength. The research and development Alpinestars uses for all of their products is impressive. Not only do they use racing in product development they also have a dedicated test lab where they test impact absorbtion, abrasion resistance etc...

Just because something is made in Pakistan does not mean it is of poor quality. Komodo is a solid example of this for sure. I would also imagine the Komodo guys are very involved in their design process and spec out all of their materials etc... I am sure they either have a real solid contact they work through or they have spent time at the factory personally to ensure good quality.

Making a good suit which can be sold at a fair price is complicated, more than just answering the email above. That is my point Brian, you are totally correct. I was trying to get at not the point of manufacture but what you mentioned above. Developement of the suit (testing, rider feedback, etc), manufacturing process and the QC of that process is key. It does not matter where it is made (like I said above I don't want to get into the Made in the USA debate) but following the said processes and making the suit to the required spec's will give you a great suit no matter where it is made. Obviously you cannot compare a $500 suit to a top of the line A* RR for example. You are almost at the point where you are no longer comparing apples and oranges. You get what you pay for in a suit. You and I have both had Taichi's with good luck, they are not cheap but work. I will be getting a new set of A*'s soon, not cheap but like I said, you get what you pay for. You cannot expect a $500 suit to hold up like a $1500 suit. Look at the spec's at any manufacturers suit from low to high and you will see the differences and where the extra cost comes from.

[Lizard 1]

Thanks Brian for the response. Couldn't have said it better and sometimes I overdo what I want to say. You know how I am involved and what I know, but sometimes, because I am not established like yourself in this community, I get flamed.

Again, you echo exactly what I stated - even about Komodo.

Hopefully, you all understand my side better.

[BC]

Nice. One reason why I really didn't want to get involved. If someone who makes an opinion and it is supportive and positive and they are not very involved in the background of leather making and such, it's perfectly fine.

Someone comes in and makes comments about quality and the fact that MOST companies DO NOT go to Pakistan to make their products and has some decent background to substantiate those comments, he gets chastised. ...

Where were you Horatio, with your backround, when the MotoGP suits were exploding? I seemed to have missed your posts in STG's for sale ads during that time. After all, it's your job to educate people, right?

Funny how the same experts you referenced here were the ones to start a WARNING thread about those suits. I'm sure if you had posted up, you could have saved peeps some $$ and skin.

[/QUOTE]Of course Wade's issue is that I haven't bought one or looked at one in person and cannot SURELY judge quality by looking at specs, the way they stitch, the way they place seams, the way they place stretch materials, etc and judge them.[/QUOTE]

The fact that you don't have first hand knowledge of the suit is all the more reason you should stay the F out of someone elses sale ad.

[/QUOTE]Brian Van comes on here and is MUCH more PC about it and validates what I have been saying, but it's cool. Nobody trashes him....[/QUOTE]

He has no right to jump in someone elses thread either. If people bashed the stuff in his for sale threads, I'm sure he'd be thrilled. It's bad form.

If this was a " anyone use these leathers "thread things would be different.

[/QUOTE]My points were simple. I NEVER bashed DD and his efforts, I wished him luck, and I simply wanted to educate some folks if they were in the market. You CAN compare a $475 suit to an AStar $475 suit like DD mentioned and possibly be perfect toe to toe. I was referring and asking him to state he'd place his suits up against any suit from AStar or other comparable suit that has the same basic features - aero hump and the related. That pretty much fits into the suits I mentioned......[/QUOTE]

WOW.
[/QUOTE]
It gets to a point on the WERA board where there are so called experts when it comes to comparing things. I've tried to be nice and such. However, there are guys speaking up that have either bought from DD or are friends with DD or are looking at these suits as a viable option and they CANNOT stand that there could be someone who might want others to know what they are getting into and that these suits might be inferior (GASP!) even though the seller says they are toe to toe the same as more expensive suits. He is saying such things which makes this even more scary. I understand supporting the brands that provide you income. I appreciate the passion people have for start up companies, even. But please do not mislead the people that these are the same quality as other $1000 suits out there. Please. You can say these are great entry level suits for budget conscious buyers and a great choice for someone who cannot afford $1000 suits. But please don't say they are custom, that they are as good as the higher priced suits and that they are made in the same country as a majority of the other companies out there....[/QUOTE]

I don't know Dave and will probably never buy a suit from him. What pisses me off is You passing yourself off as an expert without first hand knowlege and bashing a guy just because you can, and maybe to send business to your buds. The same Buds that sell suits that had issues, and the same buds who have given imput to improve their current products............which is what Dave is trying to do.

[/QUOTE]Why are the suits at Alexa's and BB's? If they are custom like what BB makes or Syed makes, etc. and come with the name on the back and such, why would they need to be sent to them? Alterations? I'm asking... Not bashing here...[/QUOTE]

If I recall correctly, Alexa has given imput on the type of thread used, so she may have made repairs or maybe she's sewing on patches.

She certainly has her opinion about these suits if she has put her hands on them, but She has class.

Nice of you to remove your sig line and put up those remarks. I was just thinking that if those sponsors you had listed chose to allign themselves with you that I would probably not do business with them, then they decided to post in this thread and removed any chance of it. :beer:

[Lizard 1]

Where were you Horatio, with your backround, when the MotoGP suits were exploding? I seemed to have missed your posts in STG's for sale ads during that time. After all, it's your job to educate people, right?

Funny how the same experts you referenced here were the ones to start a WARNING thread about those suits. I'm sure if you had posted up, you could have saved peeps some $$ and skin.

Of course Wade's issue is that I haven't bought one or looked at one in person and cannot SURELY judge quality by looking at specs, the way they stitch, the way they place seams, the way they place stretch materials, etc and judge them.[/QUOTE]

The fact that you don't have first hand knowledge of the suit is all the more reason you should stay the F out of someone elses sale ad.

[/QUOTE]Brian Van comes on here and is MUCH more PC about it and validates what I have been saying, but it's cool. Nobody trashes him....[/QUOTE]

He has no right to jump in someone elses thread either. If people bashed the stuff in his for sale threads, I'm sure he'd be thrilled. It's bad form.

If this was a " anyone use these leathers "thread things would be different.

[/QUOTE]My points were simple. I NEVER bashed DD and his efforts, I wished him luck, and I simply wanted to educate some folks if they were in the market. You CAN compare a $475 suit to an AStar $475 suit like DD mentioned and possibly be perfect toe to toe. I was referring and asking him to state he'd place his suits up against any suit from AStar or other comparable suit that has the same basic features - aero hump and the related. That pretty much fits into the suits I mentioned......[/QUOTE]

WOW.
[/QUOTE]
It gets to a point on the WERA board where there are so called experts when it comes to comparing things. I've tried to be nice and such. However, there are guys speaking up that have either bought from DD or are friends with DD or are looking at these suits as a viable option and they CANNOT stand that there could be someone who might want others to know what they are getting into and that these suits might be inferior (GASP!) even though the seller says they are toe to toe the same as more expensive suits. He is saying such things which makes this even more scary. I understand supporting the brands that provide you income. I appreciate the passion people have for start up companies, even. But please do not mislead the people that these are the same quality as other $1000 suits out there. Please. You can say these are great entry level suits for budget conscious buyers and a great choice for someone who cannot afford $1000 suits. But please don't say they are custom, that they are as good as the higher priced suits and that they are made in the same country as a majority of the other companies out there....[/QUOTE]

I don't know Dave and will probably never buy a suit from him. What pisses me off is You passing yourself off as an expert without first hand knowlege and bashing a guy just because you can, and maybe to send business to your buds. The same Buds that sell suits that had issues, and the same buds who have given imput to improve their current products............which is what Dave is trying to do.

[/QUOTE]Why are the suits at Alexa's and BB's? If they are custom like what BB makes or Syed makes, etc. and come with the name on the back and such, why would they need to be sent to them? Alterations? I'm asking... Not bashing here...[/QUOTE]

If I recall correctly, Alexa has given imput on the type of thread used, so she may have made repairs or maybe she's sewing on patches.

She certainly has her opinion about these suits if she has put her hands on them, but She has class.

Nice of you to remove your sig line and put up those remarks. I was just thinking that if those sponsors you had listed chose to allign themselves with you that I would probably not do business with them, then they decided to post in this thread and removed any chance of it. :beer:[/QUOTE]

Wow. Really...

I'll say a few things directed to you.

First and foremost, this is a public forum and if he wants to post an ad campaign, he can support WERA and pay for a banner ad and create a sales section where people can go via that link. He's posting in a classified section open for review by the public. Maybe you missed that?

Second, what constitutes and expert? Not sure as to how you get that status, but I bet I come fairly close. Maybe not, but I know a few things. However, in saying that, I am sure it will get me labeled as a "know it all", etc...

One thing to consider is that a lot of people do not post responses that ARE experts because this site as many others have self proclaimed God figures who know more than most. Maybe like yourself as you seem versed enough to pass judgement on people vs. product. Nowhere was I or Brian Van or others bashing people for anyone posting. Thanks to you, we get to add that to the list. Much appreciated...

Finally, the sponsor thing. You have sponsors? I am sure they'd really enjoy "aligning themselves" with a person who shoots off personal attacks. I was simply providing food for thought. I originally posted a comment relating to the fact that information was incorrect when used in DD's advertising. It snow balled because someone like yourself (Wade) blew me up saying I was being too vague. I be less vague and then it explodes. I can't seem to make anyone happy.

Maybe you can provide an avenue by which you might be able to assist on how we can separate these suits better? Maybe a way that can be productive and helpful instead of targeting people and attacking them personally.


Goo dluck, BC. You are apparently offended and therefore taken this to a new low level. I am out of here. It's your playground now. Thanks.

[Brian Van]

He has no right to jump in someone elses thread either. If people bashed the stuff in his for sale threads, I'm sure he'd be thrilled. It's bad form.

If this was a " anyone use these leathers "thread things would be different.

I was brought into this when Dave mentioned my Celtic suits in this thread. At no time did I bash his product. Instead I simply stated this is more complicated than it may appear to be from the outside looking in.

You keep bringing the MotoGP suits up. First I will say we did not manufacturer or import the MotoGP suits, we reatiled them as many vendors have. Like I said the first run of suits was excellent, anyone who owned one would back that up.As stated earlier even Alexa had this suit as her value pick. When the second run of suits showed a lack of durability we stopped recommending the suit. Actaully had a chance to purchase all of the suits at an incredible price when the brand was closed out. We decided not to based on our experience with the MotoGP suits as the 2007 season wore on.

Based on the performance difference between the first run of suits and the second it appears the manufacturer made some changes. These changes resulted in reduced performance which is a real disappointment for sure.

Partly in response to the very issue you mentioned above we decided to have suits built exclusively for us. These suits perform very well, a fact we are quite proud of. We sell a lot of protective apparel and it is important to us the things we sell perform well. I believe in what we do and the way we do it.

In closing I will state I became involved only after my Celtic suits were brought into this dicussion. Dave seems like a nice guy and I hope he does well.

Brian Van

[BC]

Brian

I brought up the MGP suits to point out the selective criticism by Lizard. Looking back, I can see where I should have worded things differently. My point was Lizard too close to jump on this guy. If he had done the same in the past, especially with the example I used (MGP) all would be well. But he didn't and it looks opportunistic and biased.

I give you alot of credit for how your bringing your suits along and improving them. I think this guy is doing the same thing, just on a much smaller scale.

As far as him mentioning Celtic, your right, and I shouldn't have kicked you in the nuts for defending your suits, but, IMO you could of corrected him and left it at that, but got sucked in just like the rest of us. Whats done is done, including me.




Lizard,

I didn't get personal, but go whine all you want cause that's what you do. You piss in somebody's wheaties, and start a big fight, then whine when it goes to a level your not comfy with. You have been doing it forever.

IIRC didn't you promised someone you'd quit getting in these deals? :D

Anyways, thanks for your expertise. Hopefully some day you'll learn how to convey you knowledge to others without being a dick.

[bEeR]

+1

[ToddClark]

Having just received the new KFX suit from Komodo, even tho theyre made in Pakistan, i have to say, just by looking at the way these are built, i cant say enough good things about them (and no, im not just saying that because i have a sponsorship with them thru Ed Bargy). We were offered this last season, and before i made the decision to to accept it, i did some homework on the Komodo's. Quality build, talking to others who wear them and have crashed in them, and most everyone i talked with, was very happy with the level of safety and comfort of the Komodo's. Of course, the level of customer service that Komodo offers is undoubtedly the best ive EVER dealt with from any manf. in this sport. These are the reasons i decided to go with Komodo.

With that being said, going back to the MotoGP leathers, i must have missed something along the way. I have a set of the MotoGP's i purchased when they first came out. These things have hit the deck more times than i care to mention, and are STILL structurally in great shape (look like hell) but still in good shape. What is the scoop on when they turned to crap? I remember reading about all the failures with them, but must have missed the details on why.

[Brian Van]

Todd, those things rocked when they first came out. Your comments echo everyting I have seen and heard about the first run of suits. When the suits came in the season after their introduction somethiing changed and they lost the durability you expereinced. A real shame for sure.

[ToddClark]

Todd, those things rocked when they first came out. Your comments echo everyting I have seen and heard about the first run of suits. When the suits came in the season after their introduction somethiing changed and they lost the durability you expereinced. A real shame for sure.
yep, hence why with all the MotoGP suits ive seen for sale here (used of course) at such killer deals, i was not about to purchase another set. One has to figure if theyre for sale, and in relatively "new" condition, theyre probably from the batch of suits that had so many problems/failures. I just wish other manf.'s of quality suits would go with the "roo" leather as im going to miss how light (as in overall weight) the MGP's are.

[rlucas]

Lizard,

I have no issue with someone pointing things out and informing people about products. People should know what they're buying. When I purchased my suit from Dave I wasn't expecting something like a high end A* suit, I was expecting a good deal for $425 and I believe that's what I got.

However, I do take issue with you stating that you know all about these things that manufacturers are doing in Pakistan, and issues, and all these things. Not one time though, have you been specific and said what the hell you're talking about. The only specific thing you've said is their environmental problems while praising the manufacturers in China. That was quickly shot down as China has it's own major environmental issues. If you truly feel there are issues with Pakistan's manufacturing process, how about some specifics? You keep making claims with no information to back up those claims.

[brand-o]

I don't know why you all are bashing lizard. Personally I feel like my eyes have been opened. All this time I've been buying Suzuki when I should have been buying Ducati. I mean, they're more expensive and you get what you pay for, right? :D

[DrummerDaveB]

I was brought into this when Dave mentioned my Celtic suits in this thread. At no time did I bash his product. Instead I simply stated this is more complicated than it may appear to be from the outside looking in.
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In closing I will state I became involved only after my Celtic suits were brought into this dicussion. Dave seems like a nice guy and I hope he does well.

Brian Van


Actually Brian, Lizard mentioned the Celtic suit. Since he mentioned it, I only asked where it was made, as I was genuinely curious. I said nothing negative about it whatsoever.

[bEeR]

I don't know why you all are bashing lizard. Personally I feel like my eyes have been opened. All this time I've been buying Suzuki when I should have been buying Ducati. I mean, they're more expensive and you get what you pay for, right? :D

Nice nice

[(diet)DrThunder]

Actually Brian, Lizard mentioned the Celtic suit. Since he mentioned it, I only asked where it was made, as I was genuinely curious. I said nothing negative about it whatsoever.

Woah there...let's not confuse the issue with facts. :)

Don't worry Dave, I think it's clear from this thread that you are a top class guy.

[DrummerDaveB]

Woah there...let's not confuse the issue with facts. :)

Don't worry Dave, I think it's clear from this thread that you are a top class guy.


Thanks. I try.
Im genuinely trying to make high quality stuff here. I dont personally think that quality is limited to country of origin. But anyway. . . no need to drudge it up again. :Puke:


Oh, and let me also say, although I was accused of it, I never claimed my $475 suit was better than $1000+ custom suits. I went back and read all 10 pages of the thread. :Poke:

[DrummerDaveB]

I've finally got crash pics!

Again, it was an 80mph lowside in the rain. 30 yards on pavement - crashed into a wall, then another 20 yards in the other direction.


http://www.spartanleathers.com/main/photogallery/images/crashedbutt.jpg

http://www.spartanleathers.com/main/photogallery/images/crashedrearview.jpg

http://www.spartanleathers.com/main/photogallery/images/crashedelbow2.jpg

[Wade Parish]

.....crashed into a wall, then another 20 yards in the other direction.

OUCH!!!

[forceten]

Held up pretty good!

[exracer941]

Good crashability. And he sure went crazy with the colors didnt he.....:Poke:
Looking forward to getting mine. Ordered it Tuesday.

[DrummerDaveB]

OUCH!!!

Hey Wade, dont I know you from SVR/the SV Rally?

[Wade Parish]

No, don't think so.
I've never been to an SV Rally.

You sure you know me from motorcycles?
Maybe it's music.
You play in any bands?

[DrummerDaveB]

No, don't think so.
I've never been to an SV Rally.

You sure you know me from motorcycles?
Maybe it's music.
You play in any bands?


Must be a different Wade. There was one from SVRider that I met at the SVRally, and I think he's on Wera too.

[Wade Parish]

Ah, oh well.

Hey, can a brother get one of the custom suits UNperforated?

[DrummerDaveB]

Ah, oh well.

Hey, can a brother get one of the custom suits UNperforated?

Absolutely.

[DrummerDaveB]

One of my riders crashed 5 times in his Spartan suit this weekend.
1 highside, 4 lowides.
The suit still held together completely.


He posted pics in my forum:
http://www.spartanleathers.com/Forums/index.php?topic=31.0

[02GSXR]

Dave-
Got my suit in today. Incredible detail and quality for the price. Dave is a stand up guy. He stood by his product and has great customer service! I would EASILY compare this suit to my Teknic Speedstar that cost three times as much. I looked at both and quality in the Spartan suit is equal to or better then the Teknic suit. Very inmpressive! I will do a full review in the weeks to come. Thanks again Dave for making it an easy and smooth transaction........Joseph

[alexchannell]

Got my suit today
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c53/alexchannell/IMG_1677.jpg

Good:
Quality looks to be quite good, surprised by it having inner pockets and removable liner. Most every dimension fit pretty well. It fits quite well on the bike, no noticeable bunching behind the knees like some other pants I've worn.

Bad:
All leg size dimensions (except for the cuff) are too large (diameter, length is perfect). This makes them kinda loose from the hips down, the calves are the worst. Not sure why this is but I am pretty skinny. The arm diameter dimensions are a little on the big side as well but not bad.
I'm 6'5" and 180 fyi.

[forceten]

Geeez I'm 5'8" and 180 now. You must be either really skinny, or I must be bulky and fat!

[Wade Parish]

yep, he's a freak. (at least that's what i'm telling myself)

i'm 3 inches shorter and 60 pounds heavier!

[Shenanigans]

Good looking suits and crash damage didnt look to bad. Maybe next suit of this 5`9, 235 pounder

[DrummerDaveB]

Pics from this shipment:

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj272/drummerdaveb/Spartan/PICT4038.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj272/drummerdaveb/Spartan/PICT4033.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj272/drummerdaveb/Spartan/PICT4040.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj272/drummerdaveb/Spartan/PICT4041.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj272/drummerdaveb/Spartan/PICT4042.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj272/drummerdaveb/Spartan/PICT4043.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj272/drummerdaveb/Spartan/PICT4046.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj272/drummerdaveb/Spartan/PICT4045.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj272/drummerdaveb/Spartan/PICT4048.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj272/drummerdaveb/Spartan/PICT4047.jpg

[DrummerDaveB]

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj272/drummerdaveb/Spartan/PICT4058.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj272/drummerdaveb/Spartan/PICT4057.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj272/drummerdaveb/Spartan/PICT4066.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj272/drummerdaveb/Spartan/PICT4067.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj272/drummerdaveb/Spartan/PICT4080.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj272/drummerdaveb/Spartan/PICT4081.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj272/drummerdaveb/Spartan/PICT4087.jpg

[DrummerDaveB]

Oh, and some modifications that I made in this last batch... .
Extended the keprotec lower below the knee eliminating leather bunching.
Larger crotch keprotec panels.
Smaller velcro straps at wrists to improve some comfort there.


And coming VERY SOON. . . .
THIS:
Natural, unplated, unsanded and unbuffed leather. It is beautiful, supple, and and smooth as butter. :up:

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj272/drummerdaveb/Spartan/PICT4035.jpg

[cyclenut]

[QUOTE=alexchannell;2426406]Got my suit today

/QUOTE]


I like the two (not just one!) motorcycles in the living room :)

[Wade Parish]

two? i count three!

[cyclenut]

two? i count three!


You're right...that rockin' band I heard a few weeks back must've affected my vision too. :)

[alexchannell]

yep, he's a freak. (at least that's what i'm telling myself)

i'm 3 inches shorter and 60 pounds heavier!

Running everyday, lifting and eating right :)

[alexchannell]

[QUOTE=alexchannell;2426406]Got my suit today

/QUOTE]


I like the two (not just one!) motorcycles in the living room :)

R1 LE, 02 650r motard, 07 600rr

[Spudbud]

in your first post you said only for a limited time you selling these suits for 425... what are they now???

[Wade Parish]

Running everyday, lifting and eating right...see what i mean?!?!
he's a FREAK!!!!

[DrummerDaveB]

in your first post you said only for a limited time you selling these suits for 425... what are they now???

They are now $475.

[Spudbud]

thanx!!! i will be placing an order in the near future

[DrummerDaveB]

Here's a review from Jim's Leathers out of the Chicago area.

"I have been in the leather industry for over 22 years now. Having extensive experience in all aspects of racing leathers, I was asked to take a look at some new leathers coming to market.

After thoroughly examining these leathers I can with all confidence say that they are made of top quality materials ... from the leather ,to the armor to the lining & threads. Not only are they made of good stuff, but they are designed for comfort & saftey.

I will recommend these suit to anyone looking for a top quality suit, best of all at the price they are asking it seems that most riders could buy 2. Having a back up suit in a pinch always helps.

James Marcum
EXPERT LEATHER CRAFTSMAN"

[bryanboonern]

Yee Doggy!! Great review from a pro.

[dusty20]

I can't wait to get my set. Is there a rough delivery date on the last order that you placed?

[DrummerDaveB]

I can't wait to get my set. Is there a rough delivery date on the last order that you placed?

Dustin,
Based on the number of suits ordered, and the discussions we've had, I would estimate mid April.

[JimmyOOOOO]

Here's a review from Jim's Leathers out of the Chicago area.

"I have been in the leather industry for over 22 years now. Having extensive experience in all aspects of racing leathers, I was asked to take a look at some new leathers coming to market.

After thoroughly examining these leathers I can with all confidence say that they are made of top quality materials ... from the leather ,to the armor to the lining & threads. Not only are they made of good stuff, but they are designed for comfort & saftey.

I will recommend these suit to anyone looking for a top quality suit, best of all at the price they are asking it seems that most riders could buy 2. Having a back up suit in a pinch always helps.

James Marcum
EXPERT LEATHER CRAFTSMAN"

Never had a doubt! :up:

[forceten]

Jimmy did you buy a set of spartans?

[JimmyOOOOO]

Jimmy did you buy a set of spartans?

Nopers, I bought a set from another guy who's doing the same kind of thing as Dave, so I know it's possible for them to be diligent with the manufacturer and have a good quality product made for a fair price.

[bryanboonern]

Why not Spartan? :confused: They seem REALLY good to me. I've seen a couple sets and they seem top notch.

[JimmyOOOOO]

Why not Spartan? :confused: They seem REALLY good to me. I've seen a couple sets and they seem top notch.

I bought mine before I saw Dave's ad :(

[bryanboonern]

Anybody else pick up one of these yet?

[DrummerDaveB]

Hey, just another update. . .
I've got a new product coming very soon. Here are some pics.
I'd also like to get your opinions.
46220

46221

46222




Some features:
Analine Cowhide
Kevlar thread
Perforated between the fingers, and wrists
TPU knuckle and wrist guard
Grippy material on inside of index and thumb, as well as on pad below fingers.
2nd layer of leather in impact areas like sides of hand, palm, etc.


The things I want your opinion on:
1) The finger seams - internal or external? (notice the difference above)
2) Cowhide palms, or Kangaroo? (Kangaroo will be about $20 more)
3) Attached pinky & ring finger, or detached?
4) Stretch material on the thumb - Stretch leather, or stretch kevlar material as shown in the pics? Kevlar will protect better I think, but is less comfortable.

What do you think?

[rus23]

Looks good Dave, do you have any idea how much the gloves would be and would there possibly be a discount for getting a suit and gloves?:beer:

[Dan Dubeau]

Whats the general consensus on the single zip vs a double zip? The double zip looks a heck of a lot easier to get in and out of, but is it a bigger compromise of safety/durability than it's worth?

[DrummerDaveB]

Looks good Dave, do you have any idea how much the gloves would be and would there possibly be a discount for getting a suit and gloves?:beer:

Somewhere between $70 & $90.

I havent thought about package discounts yet, but maybe.

[DrummerDaveB]

Whats the general consensus on the single zip vs a double zip? The double zip looks a heck of a lot easier to get in and out of, but is it a bigger compromise of safety/durability than it's worth?

Most people dont want a double zip, because of how the middle flap hangs down and makes it tough when it comes to going to the bathroom.

[bryanboonern]

That would be a down side to the double zip, that's for sure. Nothing like your suit taking a dip in the track toilet.:Puke:

[DrummerDaveB]

Gloves are now available for Pre-order.
They should be coming in about a month.

[DrummerDaveB]

Here's a brand new article on my suits from Trackdaymag.com

http://www.trackdaymag.com/Article.aspx?id=3503

[KneeDragger_c69]

:up:
Awesome Dave... Keep up the good work and that exellent reputation!!!;)

[bryanboonern]

Great job Dave!!!!

[exracer941]

Dave,
Saw a couple guys at Summit recently with your suits. They look awesome. How soon can I expect mine?

Scotty

[DrummerDaveB]

Dave,
Saw a couple guys at Summit recently with your suits. They look awesome. How soon can I expect mine?

Scotty

Scotty,
Glad you liked them.
Hopefully just a couple more weeks for yours.

[BlackWidow]

How much would it be to build one all yellow like Camel Yamaha yellow - with no Spartan logos?

Please PM me and let me know.

Thanks.

[DrummerDaveB]

PM Sent

[bryanboonern]

How much would it be to build one all yellow like Camel Yamaha yellow - with no Spartan logos?

Please PM me and let me know.

Thanks.

This is just me, but if I were a business man, I would insist on my logo being somewhere on the suit.

[forceten]

You could always take the spartan lettering off afterwards :Poke:

[KneeDragger_c69]

+1... If I was too buy an Alpinestar ou Joe Rocket, it would come with the name on it!!!

Not my business but I do believe that if I want my name out there, it would have to be a "non-negotiable" thing to remove my name off of my product. Could always make it smaller or anywhere else but not remove it!!!

[DrummerDaveB]

Good points.


Just an FYI, the order cutoff for this batch is going to be right around May 1st, so if anybody's on the fence, jump or you'll have to wait a couple extra months.

[Wade Parish]

so if i order by may 1st, when could i expect to get 'em?