Team Pro-Motion: any good?

[Crackhead]

They rarely get mentioned here. And I have heard unflattering stories about the owners. What's the scoop? Are they a good place to spend my money?

[davetlr]

They rarely get mentioned here. And I have heard unflattering stories about the owners. What's the scoop? Are they a good place to spend my money?

No but it gets you on the track.

i am sure you will get many different opinions on this one!!

:Pop:

[Smooth RR]

I just got back from TPM at Pocono, I've also done a TD with them at Loudon - I'd go back again to them - Glenn also takes people out for free for two up rides and provides gear! My Mom came by to see and she ended up riding the track on the back of his bike for a session!!!

As far as safety goes, I had some concerns from the first time i ran with them up in Loudon... however they had definitely tightened up their act. (Maybe due to previous experience with people getting hurt)

Definitely try em out - they run a decent day

[gpstar748]

i thought this section was about NESBA?

haha, jk

I have only done one day with them however I found they are pricier with everythig than NESBA and STT and dont offer the same member perks as the previously mentioned.............must be usin all that money to pay for that huge SEMI truck but I really have no clue

NESBA and STT def. offer more to their members by far and for a better price.....IMO

[771Doug]

I've been doing trackdays with TPM for 2 seasons (VIR and Summit). I'm more than satisfied and will ride with them next year. I will admit that I've never ridden with the others, so I couldn't give you a comparison.

[steelcityracer]

I have only done one day with them however I found they are pricier with everythig than NESBA and STT

Not entirely true... the prices vary from track to track, but all three organizations are usually within 5 or 10 dollars of each other.

TPM runs a solid track day, as do NESBA and STT.

[gpstar748]

yea, what i meant by that is they dont include all the perks that NESBA or STT do but charge extra for them such as that insurance thing and what not, unless there policies have changed since I rode with them

i dont really have anything to say about the quality of the day, it was good when I did it that one time but I only ever rode with them once so I cant really give an opinion in that sense

[bhinds382]

I've ridden with TPM and others renting tracktime in the southeast since 2002. Since 2002, the quality of their management of on-track riders has continued to deteriorate. Specifically, they pack the track day - I've been at VIR south with as many as 50 riders in a session (which may have included a plethora of "control riders"). At two different track days, I saw near mutiny by consensus of the intermediate group riders because of the unwillingness of TPM to tell poorly skilled riders, e.g., an apparent first timer in textile gear riding a 650cc V-strom with saddle bag mounts, that they don't belong on a track - and certainly not in the INTERMEDIATE group. You'll find better value, track management, and rider support with NESBA and SBTT.

[mikendzel]

I rode with TPM at Summit Main on 8/20 and I had a great time. There were a bunch more people than the NESBA day I attended 2 weeks prior, and the Beginner group (yeah beginner, I hadn't been on a track in 6 years, and even then I wasn't on it much back then either) was slower....
However, my experience with the instructors/control riders was WAAAAAY better. A guy named Dave, he had Dr. Dave on his bike I think, basically took me under his wing for the last 2 sessions in the morning and the entire afternoon. I did the race school while I was there to get my license, and right before the race, he came to give me some last minute advice. I was 1 of 2 people in the school so they sent us out at the back of their GP Moto race, and Dave told me not to try and race with the other guys, just ride my own pace and to remember my body position, etc.... That guy made me want to go to another TPM day.

*** Dr Dave, if you read this board, I've tried to send you thank you emails, but I haven't gotten a response from Glenn as to whether they were forwarded or not.

My experience with NESBA control riders was the first one made it well known that I was interrupting their conversation about food, and was unhelpful. The other CR in the conversation tried to help me out a little bit, but was then spoken over by the first dude. I'm not mentioning names, but the first dude needs to understand customer service and respect because I wasn't shown any from him. I'm going to do another NESBA day, and I am going to mention his conduct to him because I feel much more comfortable at the track having raced a bit.

[biggboi]

i have ridden with promotion,stt,nesba the best is stt next tpm and nesba last i went to mid ohio this year for the first time with stt registration went smooth they give you a coupon for free lunch they provide gatorade and donuts for energy through out the day they sell parts there on site rearsets,boots,suits,helmets tires but the only brand they sell is michelin which i dont run they had shadow video there and pictures there and they also had a ohlins tech there too the instructors were real cool and easy to work with i like the fact that you can choose which group you want to ride in instead of having to start in begginer

next is promotion i have been riding with them for the longest they are pricey and the insurance rules i kinda dont like it cost 25.00 for insurance but you only get 100.00 bucks credit if you use it thats not fair if your trackday costs 175.00 200.00 with the insurance you only get back 100.00 thats not good value they have a service truck for tire changes they sell more than one brand of tires which is cool i know mostly all the instructors most of them are cool i know glen too he's cool but some of the instructors are dickheads and some of them are not that fast at all i kinda think it's a click thing for most of the instructors they get to do that job i will give an example my buddy was riding in the red group which is intermediate he made a last second inside pass on another rider it was by mistake not on purpose i was watching the whole session and saw what happened anyway he made the rider stand up and she went off the track and fell after that happened an instructor chased him down for the rest of the session trying to get his attention but could not keep up when the session was over he came over and started yelling at my buddy like he was a little kid it was a accident one of those times when you thought the rider was gonna zig and they zagged the instructor is ther to help some of them think because they are instructors they are real cops or something like they cant get there ass kicked we pay our money to ride nobodys out ther to hurt someone or get hurt themselves it's painful and exspensive so with that said they dont have the right to talk down to anybody at all under any circumstance

next is nesba i dont like them at all they give you such a hard time bumping up my first trackday was with nesba they have too many rules you cant pass in turns only on straights you cant pass instructors unless they wave you by which is bullshit i did a trackday with them this year at roebling road it was a good price i have been on the track for 4 years at promotion i am a expert so for me when i go to any other orginazation i want to ride in expert not with nesba since i was only a novice with nesba when i started when i rode with them at roebling i was a novice again they did not care that i was a expert anywhere else or that i have my wera license not trying to say that i am stoner but i do ok anyway i had to damn near fight with the instructors just to to get bumped to intermediate i got bumped but i had to beg to get it riding with them is like having a bad tooth ache there insurance is good and they have good parts truck but the instructors dont give two shits about a rider that should be in a diifferent group anyway thats my two cents i guess you have to choose for your self

also membership prices are as follows 135.00 for a gold membership for promotion 35.00 for a stt membership and 75.00 for a nesba membership

[kiggy74]

I've ridden STT and TPM. TPM provides the same basic experience as them all, but you'll find a little more structure in how they manage riding groups as well as passing rules. In some cases I've found that they harp on passing rules in rider's meetings, but then when the session starts the control riders completely toss their own rules out the window, which means everyone else does too.

I will say that in general most TPM control riders are a lot more proactive in offering advice or assistance. It's not uncommon to have one come up to you after a session and give you advice, or grab you during a session for a tow around the racing line. STT control riders are there to help, but you either have to be doing something really wrong or you have to ask them for assistance.

[NuttZ]

I've rode with TPM and nesba...and I pick TPM over nesba. Like said above, there are some things that suck about TPM...but its worth the few extra bucks to ride. When I rode with nesba...I felt like I was a burden to the control riders...short answers, and didn't give much feed back when I finally got a CR to go out for a session. Nesba to me didn’t give the friendly atmosphere like TPM did.

[Suburbanrancher]

I've ridden extensively with all three clubs (and even the old Reduc). I stopped riding with TPM a couple of years ago when they consistently started to overload trackdays. 60 people on Summit Main in one group is way too many for a track day.

I've also been told by friends/current TPM members that TPM has split the occasional trackday into four groups, i.e. less then 15 minutes of track time per hour per group (including staging and exiting). If that is true, I would be very disappointed for my money.

NESBA and STT have been much better values, and each has their own individual strengths, although rumor is Chuck Norris rides with NESBA so they get the nod.

I just wish NESBA didn't suck so much - I'll have to keep riding with them until they finally stop sucking.

[BiZ]

I don't do alot of track days anymore, but I used to ride with TPM alot, (did some coaching with them), and I've done a few STT and maybe one or two NESBA and REDUC days. If your an advanced/expert group rider, I'd say it doesn't matter who you ride with, your advanced.

Maybe once a year does TPM do 4 groups, and that's normally just the first track day of the year at VIR before the WERA round. And it's advertised before hand, with a specific group just for racers. So whining is not authorized.

If you ride in the intermediate groups, and you know what your doing, I would say go with TPM or STT. I'm by no means an expert on NESBA, nor have I rode with them in the last few years. But from my understanding, NESBA makes you play follow the leader with the control riders. It's possible you can have alot of laps ruined while you wait for the CR's to look over there shoulder to wave you past. Especially if your stuck in a pack. TPM doesn't do this and I'm pretty sure STT doesn't either. But with STT and TPM you'll probably have a few more instances of rules violations in the lower two groups, as you have quite a mix of talent levels with less regulation. Not usually a problem, but something you need to be aware of.

If you can get into NESBA's advanced group, or any other clubs advanced group for that matter, then that's not a problem. But I hear it's pretty tough to progress into the A group with NESBA. I do believe, though, that if your a licensed expert racer, NESBA will allow you to go right to the A group. Confirm that with some of the nesbanites though, or check their website.

I don't believe TPM is packing 60 people into a session anymore. I'm pretty sure that stopped a few years ago. Last few track days I did with them at Summit have been ghost towns really. TPM tends to compete with themselves alot, with track days at two different tracks at the same time. So that tends to keep the numbers down a bit.

Anyways, I have alot of friends who ride with all 3 clubs, far more then I do with any of them. All of them love there club and think it's the best, so I would say there's something for everyone. I would recommend not judging any of the org's on your first event with them, because sometimes shit happens and rarely is it intentional or malicious.

[LiveHardOne]

Yes NESBA sucks. How dare they classify riders based on riding ability and skill level?

It is much better when I just get to pick for myself as to which group I get to ride in. That way I am not bothered by those pesky NESBA people by showing them first hand, on the track how great of a rider I really am. It is very clear to me that I am the fastest, bestest rider out there but yet they do not put me in expert group. I am advanced because I say I am.

[davetlr]

Yes NESBA sucks. How dare they classify riders based on riding ability and skill level?

It is much better when I just get to pick for myself as to which group I get to ride in. That way I am not bothered by those pesky NESBA people by showing them first hand, on the track how great of a rider I really am. It is very clear to me that I am the fastest, bestest rider out there but yet they do not put me in expert group. I am advanced because I say I am.

I think you suck!!













j/k....:beer:

[rugbymook]

i have ridden with promotion,stt,nesba the best is stt next tpm and nesba last i went to mid ohio this year for the first time with stt registration went smooth they give you a coupon for free lunch they provide gatorade and donuts for energy through out the day they sell parts there on site rearsets,boots,suits,helmets tires but the only brand they sell is michelin which i dont run they had shadow video there and pictures there and they also had a ohlins tech there too the instructors were real cool and easy to work with i like the fact that you can choose which group you want to ride in instead of having to start in begginer

next is promotion i have been riding with them for the longest they are pricey and the insurance rules i kinda dont like it cost 25.00 for insurance but you only get 100.00 bucks credit if you use it thats not fair if your trackday costs 175.00 200.00 with the insurance you only get back 100.00 thats not good value they have a service truck for tire changes they sell more than one brand of tires which is cool i know mostly all the instructors most of them are cool i know glen too he's cool but some of the instructors are dickheads and some of them are not that fast at all i kinda think it's a click thing for most of the instructors they get to do that job i will give an example my buddy was riding in the red group which is intermediate he made a last second inside pass on another rider it was by mistake not on purpose i was watching the whole session and saw what happened anyway he made the rider stand up and she went off the track and fell after that happened an instructor chased him down for the rest of the session trying to get his attention but could not keep up when the session was over he came over and started yelling at my buddy like he was a little kid it was a accident one of those times when you thought the rider was gonna zig and they zagged the instructor is ther to help some of them think because they are instructors they are real cops or something like they cant get there ass kicked we pay our money to ride nobodys out ther to hurt someone or get hurt themselves it's painful and exspensive so with that said they dont have the right to talk down to anybody at all under any circumstance

next is nesba i dont like them at all they give you such a hard time bumping up my first trackday was with nesba they have too many rules you cant pass in turns only on straights you cant pass instructors unless they wave you by which is bullshit i did a trackday with them this year at roebling road it was a good price i have been on the track for 4 years at promotion i am a expert so for me when i go to any other orginazation i want to ride in expert not with nesba since i was only a novice with nesba when i started when i rode with them at roebling i was a novice again they did not care that i was a expert anywhere else or that i have my wera license not trying to say that i am stoner but i do ok anyway i had to damn near fight with the instructors just to to get bumped to intermediate i got bumped but i had to beg to get it riding with them is like having a bad tooth ache there insurance is good and they have good parts truck but the instructors dont give two shits about a rider that should be in a diifferent group anyway thats my two cents i guess you have to choose for your self

also membership prices are as follows 135.00 for a gold membership for promotion 35.00 for a stt membership and 75.00 for a nesba membership


That was quite possibly the hardest thing i tried to read in a while.

[Dutch]

Expert race license = go directly to Advanced with NESBA. The rest of it I didn't read since I am busy with my buffalo grilled chicken sandwich and homemade chocolate chip cookies.

[HPPT]

Dutch sucks.

[Mio]

i have ridden with promotion,stt,nesba the best is stt next tpm and nesba last i went to mid ohio this year for the first time with stt registration went smooth they give you a coupon for free lunch they provide gatorade and donuts for energy through out the day they sell parts there on site rearsets,boots,suits,helmets tires but the only brand they sell is michelin which i dont run they had shadow video there and pictures there and they also had a ohlins tech there too the instructors were real cool and easy to work with i like the fact that you can choose which group you want to ride in instead of having to start in begginer

next is promotion i have been riding with them for the longest they are pricey and the insurance rules i kinda dont like it cost 25.00 for insurance but you only get 100.00 bucks credit if you use it thats not fair if your trackday costs 175.00 200.00 with the insurance you only get back 100.00 thats not good value they have a service truck for tire changes they sell more than one brand of tires which is cool i know mostly all the instructors most of them are cool i know glen too he's cool but some of the instructors are dickheads and some of them are not that fast at all i kinda think it's a click thing for most of the instructors they get to do that job i will give an example my buddy was riding in the red group which is intermediate he made a last second inside pass on another rider it was by mistake not on purpose i was watching the whole session and saw what happened anyway he made the rider stand up and she went off the track and fell after that happened an instructor chased him down for the rest of the session trying to get his attention but could not keep up when the session was over he came over and started yelling at my buddy like he was a little kid it was a accident one of those times when you thought the rider was gonna zig and they zagged the instructor is ther to help some of them think because they are instructors they are real cops or something like they cant get there ass kicked we pay our money to ride nobodys out ther to hurt someone or get hurt themselves it's painful and exspensive so with that said they dont have the right to talk down to anybody at all under any circumstance

next is nesba i dont like them at all they give you such a hard time bumping up my first trackday was with nesba they have too many rules you cant pass in turns only on straights you cant pass instructors unless they wave you by which is bullshit i did a trackday with them this year at roebling road it was a good price i have been on the track for 4 years at promotion i am a expert so for me when i go to any other orginazation i want to ride in expert not with nesba since i was only a novice with nesba when i started when i rode with them at roebling i was a novice again they did not care that i was a expert anywhere else or that i have my wera license not trying to say that i am stoner but i do ok anyway i had to damn near fight with the instructors just to to get bumped to intermediate i got bumped but i had to beg to get it riding with them is like having a bad tooth ache there insurance is good and they have good parts truck but the instructors dont give two shits about a rider that should be in a diifferent group anyway thats my two cents i guess you have to choose for your self

also membership prices are as follows 135.00 for a gold membership for promotion 35.00 for a stt membership and 75.00 for a nesba membership

:wow: My eyes hurt! Did you type this on a Crackberry? :D

I've done about 14 days with TPM and 6 days with NESBA since last year and they both seem to be well run for the most part. There are things on both organizations that could be improved and some days are better than others. I would not judge either by going to just one day. The overall quality of riders seems to be a little higher in NESBA than TPM. Each group also spells out there rules and if you don't like them or do not want to adhere by them, then please look elsewhere. Their track day, their rules, we abide by them and have a freaking great time!

[RollieManollie]

I ride with nesba because when i first joined I saw everyone blowing the CR's and i figured, what the heck if they'll give a bj to a CR I'll pay $75.00 for a head shot! 3 years later and I'm still a virgin for a bj so I figured I would just stay for the remote possibility...lol!!! :crackup:

:beer:

[Six3SixGal]

i like nesba's A group.... feels good when you earn your way up there... safest A i have been in... Hmm.. that sounds kinda.. umm.. nevermind.....

[davetlr]

I ride with nesba because when i first joined I saw everyone blowing the CR's and i figured, what the heck if they'll give a bj to a CR I'll pay $75.00 for a head shot! 3 years later and I'm still a virgin for a bj so I figured I would just stay for the remote possibility...lol!!! :crackup:

:beer:

:Pop: :Pop:

I like the post exept the virgin part. You were so drunk at summit last month we let the "bosnia bitch" break you in!!

[RollieManollie]

:Pop: :Pop:

I like the post exept the virgin part. You were so drunk at summit last month we let the "bosnia bitch" break you in!!

Damn cheap, ghetto ass, West Virginian strippers get me every time!! :up:
:beer:

[gpstar748]

All these people that complain about NESBA saying it is too hard to get bumped..........if you are having such a hard time getting bumped you probably shouldnt get the bump in the first place to the next level

I know first hand that you dont need face time or an expert race license to get bumped to the A group with NESBA.

[gpstar748]

i like nesba's A group.... feels good when you earn your way up there... safest A i have been in... Hmm.. that sounds kinda.. umm.. nevermind.....

How many A's have you been in? :Poke:



:D

[f4idrew]

How many A's have you been in? :Poke:



:D

Id like to know that too?:Poke:

I agree brandon about the bump. It doesnt take face time, a BJ, or an expert race license.

[gpstar748]

well I didnt say anything about the BJ part.........haha

[RollieManollie]

Id like to know that too?:Poke:

I agree brandon about the bump. It doesnt take face time, a BJ, or an expert race license.


Maybe not the A group but definitely the I group!!;) :D

[Six3SixGal]

well, thats how I got MY bump.... Brandon.. you got yours even quicker, what did YOU do with my drewbie?!

[RollieManollie]

well, thats how I got MY bump.... Brandon.. you got yours even quicker, what did YOU do with my drewbie?!

That's just wrong!! Not the BJ, but calling him Drewbie!!!:rolleyes:

[gpstar748]

lets just say NESBA has the best group of A's Ive ever been in too

:moon:

errr I mean best A group Ive been in lol

[Dutch]

Drewbie? OMFG! DREWBIE!?!?!? I cannot tell you how much mileage I am getting out of THAT!!!!!!!! :D:D:D:D:D

[slow honda]

Poor Drewbie gets no respect

[RollieManollie]

Drewbie? OMFG! DREWBIE!?!?!? I cannot tell you how much mileage I am getting out of THAT!!!!!!!! :D:D:D:D:D

Wait until I tell the entire paddock at Nelson this weekend!!:D

[Dutch]

Too late. I alread posted it in the CR forum and called Bobby G :D

[rugbymook]

Too late. I alread posted it in the CR forum and called Bobby G :D


Now all you have to do, as official moderator business of course, is to change his screen name from F4iDrew to Drewbie.:p

[RollieManollie]

Too late. I alread posted it in the CR forum and called Bobby G :D

:rock:

Drewbie...........:Puke:

[hank748]

I've ridden extensively with all three clubs (and even the old Reduc). I stopped riding with TPM a couple of years ago when they consistently started to overload trackdays. 60 people on Summit Main in one group is way too many for a track day.

I've also been told by friends/current TPM members that TPM has split the occasional trackday into four groups, i.e. less then 15 minutes of track time per hour per group (including staging and exiting). If that is true, I would be very disappointed for my money.




+1 with all of this!

I also ride with TM, STT (and when Reduc) and NESBA.

While TPM does run 3 levels, at many tracks they also run an ART Basic class (so based on actual track time, that actually makes 4 separate groups - it's all marketing :rolleyes: )... They still run 20 minute sessions, but you're not doing a session every hour as you would if they were 'really' running just 3 groups. And yes, it is often more crowded than other clubs.

STT's self-appointment of riding level is an issue :down: (see previous threads on that one). Yes, they are run a bit looser, but they have some really nice people running the events and it is the friendliest group of people around.

NESBA has better overall riders, but over the past 2 years there has been some 'dilution' - still better than the other 2, especially in the Advanced group...

With Dutch becoming a woman this year, the quality of the club suffered... let's hope he regains his manhood over the winter and gets back out there - he was indeed missed!

[Gigantic]

well, thats how I got MY bump.... Brandon.. you got yours even quicker, what did YOU do with my drewbie?!

:crackup: :crackup: :crackup: :crackup: Drewbie... he's never gonna hear the end of that one...:crackup:

[Matt H]

Damn - I come to the WERA board to get away from some of you jokers!!!

Well, see you this weekend Drewbie.....

[Six3SixGal]

i agree w. hank.. our riders meetings have for the most part been lacking the words "splooge, clitirous and penis" :(

[hank748]

i agree w. hank.. our riders meetings have for the most part been lacking the words "splooge, clitirous and penis" :(

Or references to the band "The Dead Kennedy's"

[f4idrew]

Poor Drewbie gets no respect

Im with Dave.. Damn.. ill never hear the end of that one.. See you guys at Nelson:moon:

[beechkingd]

With Dutch becoming a woman this year, the quality of the club suffered... let's hope he regains his manhood over the winter and gets back out there - he was indeed missed!


I miss hearing about white flags and how much Dutch likes Cheney. :Poke:

[R6ixxer]

Team promotion has falled apart in my opinion.They seem to have alot of riders in the wrong groups.It does'nt seem like they really care about this either when you got riders plowing into each other because one person thinks there Rossi at a trackday when really there just a tard with 400lbs of metal flying at someone .I speak mainly of the advance group (blue) so if that includes you I would stay away.The red and white groups are going to be like anyother trackday so its your call.

[Dutch]

Man I gotta come up with some new material for next year.

[f4idrew]

Man I gotta come up with some new material for next year.

I always enjoyed the white flag french jokes, and the visualization of waking up in new orleans in leather wondering where the hell you were:crackup:

DREWBIE:rolleyes:

[G 97]

Man I gotta come up with some new material for next year.

I'm still trying to figure out how you incorporate the word clitoris in a general riders meeting :beer:

[Dutch]

I'm still trying to figure out how you incorporate the word clitoris in a general riders meeting :beer:

By first carefully asessing your audience to make certain no one will be offended. The New Orleans joke is the litmus test :D

[sportbikerchic]

I only ride with Nesba now, but Morph loves to remind me that I used to be a huge STT and TPM fan. He damn near had to break my arm to get me to even try Nesba. Eventually I did, and I really liked them.

For one year I did all three orgs. Nesba was actually the first org to bump me to the A group (so contrary to most of the bump stories you'll hear about Nesba). I soon dropped TPM (I didn't need 3 orgs and though they weren't "bad" they were just my least favorite).

STT made me one of their coaches in '05. Then in '06 Nesba made me a CR. Nesba was becoming more and more my home, and I started to dissagree with a lot of the ways that STT did things, so now I'm just a Nesbian.

They're all good enough orgs IMO. Bottomline – they all get you on the track. Too many opinions that you'll hear are based on specific personal experiences (one bad day, or one bad run-in with another rider, or one coach in a bad mood). Give them all a try and find out for yourself.

[Crackhead]

Wow, lots of different experiences. You guys don't even seem to agree on whether it's more or less expensive than the others!

I am still on the fence. I am not a big fan of spending money with unscrupulous people regardless of how good the product is. And some of the things I heard (which made me start this thread) about the management are not pretty. Of course, it's all secondhand information.

But I think I might have to check out NESBA: that Dutch dude is funny. :)

[tzrboy]

Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee's backkkkkkkk:p


I love track girls......fast as hell at Beaverun on your 636 this weekend there pink lady, and then you screw up spelling the "little man in the boat"....

Good news is that even though Mary's a Nesbian, we all know you girl's are fast.


Missed seeing you at Beaver Mary.... I'm sure someone will "fix that" for me, there's your sign:up:

[sportbikerchic]

U still racing Chris? I can't keep up, what with you racing, then giving it up, then racing again. :p

Miss seeing you on the track too. I should be back for a few races next year though.

[tzrboy]

Shhhhhh.

CCS next year only....and LOTS of track days.

Built the Duc this year for fun, get feet wet as an expert and not get killed.

Worked so far, but a "trackday/ SVP Advanced Group chase bike......is in the midst for 2008.

I have a bunch of customer's headed to Beaverun Oct.20 with Nesba...... if they had the Sun/Mon at Summit this month it would be with them vs. TPM...but beggars can't choose. Glad I'll be one of the 1st bikes on the new pavement-good or bad.

[sportbikerchic]

Well shucks, I've been thinking of stepping away from Beaver for a change and doing Nesba at VIR that same weekend when your customers will be at Beaver with us. Eh well, they might have more fun this way without the rule nazi on track with them. LOL.

[tzrboy]

Tell someone in charge out there to look out for Marco Sanna...that guy isn't any freaking Novice anywhere........ ironically I found him a white/silver 06 GSXR600.....kisses:)

[BiZ]

While TPM does run 3 levels, at many tracks they also run an ART Basic class (so based on actual track time, that actually makes 4 separate groups - it's all marketing :rolleyes: )...

I have done close to 100 track days with TPM over the past 6 years, and I've even helped instruct/coach the Art Basic a few times. They run the Art Basic at every track day so long as someone wants it. Never in any of the events that I attended, did the art basic class have there own session. I'm not saying that they haven't done that, but never in my experience have they. So rest assured it isn't a regular thing.

Just wanted to clear that up... sort of. Anyways, all the clubs are great. If you want to ride, then ride. Who's running the show doesn't really matter IMHO.

[Steezlo]

I haven't done many track days as of late, the race season doesn't permit it as much. However, what I do remember about TPM is they were always crowded and over booked, I've heard they've gotten better about addressing the issues at track though in their defense. I decided when I was doing trackdays though I was going to stick to STT and Cornerspeed.

[GoodKnight]

Just an fyi, i've done about 5-6 tpm track days this yr, and every one of them had 2 white group sessions. 1 had all art basic/art level 2, the other just white. They've also been running until 6pm.

[771Doug]

I decided when I was doing trackdays though I was going to stick to STT and Cornerspeed.

I was wondering when Cornerspeed would come up. I have a customer that is a Cornerspeed coach and he has been bugging me for a year to check them out, so I'll be doing VIR Grand on the 29th. 240 freakin' dollars, though !!! They better be VERY good.

[Dutch]

I have allways heard good things about Cornerspeed. I believe they have much fewer people on track then your normal track day so $240 probably isn't that far off.

[Matt H]

If I remember correctly, there were only 25 riders per group on VIR North (and that was the max). So definitely fewer people. Well run event and good people. They only really do VIR North, with an occassional day on Full. This year they also held one on South, and they typically do a day on Grand (which could be very cool - I have never done it). I think they have done a day on CMP before too.

[Steezlo]

Cornerspeed may be a bit more expensive, no more so then the others really but they don't oversell groups to make a profit, very safe, and they always have someone that can show you a good line.

[gmann750]

TPM is slowly turning to crap, can you believe with insurance they charge 200.00 for the Fu*$ing pocono east course, what a joke, def thinking of trying stt.

[tzrboy]

NESBA was $185.....

Rain insurance or other benny's may be a factor.

I ran TPM 3 days ago at the new Summit and it was a pretty flawless day for as many fast guys that showed just to run in Blue group on the new pavement.

The express regisration and tech is great, the store was packed of good inventory-staff was more than friendly and I'll thank Dave Gallo here if he reads this for loaning me the hose I needed to drain my tank at lunch-thanks Dave!

Bart, Dave Z. and the other coaches were working hard to go fast themselves on the new grip and help others get up to speed and have a great day.

:up:

Every club has it's flaws-as do people. Rates are going up, new bike prices, insurance....if we give up on them and they go away......we bitch then.

[DougK]

So, how was the track? Did you drop any time at all with the re-pave?

[tzrboy]

2-3 secs. for me:)

The Duc was running mid 23's before the race....so high 22's by days' end. Stock motor Duc and needed to go back on gearing...now hitting the limiter earlier....more traction out of 9, faster line in 10, etc.

The times will get stupid fast next year...soon they'll be in the 9's:wow:

[steelcityracer]

2-3 secs. for me:)

earlier....more traction out of 9, faster line in 10, etc.

The times will get stupid fast next year...soon they'll be in the 9's:wow:

Are you able to apex 10 all the way inside now?

[steelcityracer]

NESBA was $185.....


The express regisration and tech is great, the store was packed of good inventory-staff was more than friendly and I'll thank Dave Gallo here if he reads this for loaning me the hose I needed to drain my tank at lunch-thanks Dave!

.

Gallo is a good guy.

I have been to probably close to 50 TPM track days, and all have gone smoothley. Also, at about ten of those days, TPM purchased an extra hour of track time so people could ride till six.

[tzrboy]

Hank...you can still feel the bumps(to me) but yes...run far left after bridge on the limiter, grab a gear and pitch it to the apex and it sticks better than ever will only a ever so slight wobble-and my terd is not as polished as any GSXR I ever raced with Traxxion/Penske and GPR.... you guys should have less drama.

Defran and Dave Z. would have better feedback on their Kawi/Yami from Monday..

[GSX-R 3/4K]

Henry, you can apex ten all the way in.It's not perfect but i did it and it wasn't to bad.It's not perfect though still got the bumps but much lighter!As for me I did the same times maybe 1/2 sec.better

[GSX-R 3/4K]

As the TPM goes...if you wanna be a member go alsewere but if you wanna be a family member TPM is the club for you!Safe,well organized and friendly!!!
Proud TPM Coach Greg Nysk #421